O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Jampie]

20,000+ excess deaths in Australia (12% increase) in 2022, they're claiming 51% were OF Covid, up to 66% Covid related. but if you accept that, then that still leaves 7,000 odd of non-Covid related excess deaths, 20k deaths two years after the pandemic broke out and roughly a year after vax roll out. This is in all age groups.

FWIW, I'm not seeing any stats or anybody presenting stats to show cancer deaths are on the increase. Cancer can develop over many many years, but as the heart scars rather than repairs, it would be the heart issue signal you'd expect to see first and then cancer some way down the line.

I suspect my relative would have got a cancer diagnosis anyway, though whether it would been at the incurable stage without the vax coming into play I'm not so sure, they did have a very bad reaction to their first jab and then incredibly had the 2nd to be able to go abroad. No cancer symptoms, found a lump, then got told it had already spread.
The only time we've spoken about the jab since I've lied and told them I don't think there is a link between the jabs and cancer, because it's going to be of no help to them now thinking they might have made things worse. I'm by no means convinced there is a link, but obviously if there was to be a very significant increase in cancer in the coming years, I would be inclined to blame that.

https://www.actuaries.digital/2023/0...-in-australia/

My 20k figure is all covid deaths throughout the entire pandemic in Australia, not just 2022. In point of fact it's up to 21k now.

You should read the page you linked... "In this context, we note that vaccination is highly unlikely to be a cause of excess mortality in 2022."

I'm sorry your relative is suffering from cancer. Cancer is horrible, and there's no link in any study I've seen between vaccines and cancer diagnosis.

[upthemaggies]

You should read the page you linked... "In this context, we note that vaccination is highly unlikely to be a cause of excess mortality in 2022."
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I have read it, that is an assumption, they don't offer any evidence, they speculate "natural variation" at one point but that the difference is "worthy of investigation". So I can take from that they're just hoping the vax hasn't got anything to do with excess deaths rather than knowing that it doesn't. This pattern is being seen in other developed countries, all at the same time.

[countygump]

I have read it, that is an assumption, they don't offer any evidence, they speculate "natural variation" at one point but that the difference is "worthy of investigation". So I can take from that they're just hoping the vax hasn't got anything to do with excess deaths rather than knowing that it doesn't. This pattern is being seen in other developed countries, all at the same time.

Hopefully some good news:


For the first time since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, there were no excess deaths in the EU, according to data from February.

While the figure is an average across all EU countries and there is no guarantee that it won’t rise again, the return to pre-pandemic level marks a significant moment as countries debate whether COVID-19 should still be considered an ongoing pandemic.

Excess mortality figures have been an essential tool to understand how many additional people were dying above the levels that would have been seen under ‘normal’ situations. The statistic takes the number of people who died from any cause during a particular period and compares it with figures from previous years when there wasn’t a COVID-19 pandemic.

In February, two-thirds of EU countries recorded no excess deaths, according to data from Eurostat, compared with the average over the same period in 2016-2019. However, several countries did see excess mortality, including Greece, Cyprus, Portugal, the Netherlands and France. At its worst levels in November 2020, the EU saw excess deaths at 40 percent above its baseline.

The data comes as the World Health Organization — the body that classifies whether COVID-19 is still a public health emergency of international concern — increasingly indicates that the end of the public health emergency is imminent. In March, WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said he was “confident” that this year COVID-19 would no longer be classified as such.



https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-e...ndemic-levels/

[BigFatPie]

He mentions that in the discussion UTMs, here's the link for the Rogan pod with Robert Kennedy Jr
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3DQ...SkSRRFUYi1g1Hw

An excerpt from that podcast cropped up in my Twitter feed. In it Kennedy, a long term anti vaxxer, claims WiFi opens up the blood brain barrier to toxins in your body. Rogan, apparently, says nothing to correct him.

https://twitter.com/rottenindenmark/...I24Jmfa0Vu8-qg

[countygump]

An excerpt from that podcast cropped up in my Twitter feed. In it .https://twitter.com/rottenindenmark/...I24Jmfa0Vu8-qg

Excuse me, just gonna plug a direct connection to my router in.



https://ehtrust.org/wi-fi-wireless-r...brain-barrier/

[Jeekay56]

Excuse me, just gonna plug a direct connection to my router in.

Oooer, Not one of these, I hope. I suppose you could use it to do a bit of trepanning (you need that like a hole in the head).

https://tinyurl.com/4m9maw8b

[Jampie]

I have read it, that is an assumption, they don't offer any evidence, they speculate "natural variation" at one point but that the difference is "worthy of investigation". So I can take from that they're just hoping the vax hasn't got anything to do with excess deaths rather than knowing that it doesn't. This pattern is being seen in other developed countries, all at the same time.

Well given the massive correlation with vaccinated people NOT dying, and the total lack of evidence of any increased death rate in the vaccinated population (the opposite, in fact), and... what are you even talking about?

If you have evidence vaccines kill people, please supply it.

[BigFatPie]

Excuse me, just gonna plug a direct connection to my router in.



https://ehtrust.org/wi-fi-wireless-r...brain-barrier/

Ha!

[frenchmagpie]

Well given the massive correlation with vaccinated people NOT dying, and the total lack of evidence of any increased death rate in the vaccinated population (the opposite, in fact), and... what are you even talking about?

If you have evidence vaccines kill people, please supply it.

They don't. Just Joe Rogan interviewing some fruitcake Kennedy, a few PE teachers/immunologists on YouTube and you know, gotta do your own research. Oh and Elon Musk says so !

[upthemaggies]

Curious the UK stopped publishing unvaccinated deaths and hospitalisations as opposed to vaccinated just at the point vaccinated began dying and taking up the beds. People have been calling for the government to reveal vax status of deaths to put to bed the theory that the vax is a factor in excess deaths over the last 18 months or so. What reason would they have for not doing that?

There doesn't seem to be any denial that excess deaths have been alarmingly high with heart disease/attacks accounting for a very significant proportion. The disagreement is to what's causing it. Some claim it's damage as a result of Covid, some the vax and others are just baffled.