O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[upthemaggies]

They stopped when so much of the population was vaccinated it stopped having much meaning, and when the stats were abused by anti vaxers to convince people who don't understand stats that vaccines didn't work or were actually killing people. Both of which, to be clear, are lies.

You're having a laugh, it reached the point where the stats (You could download straightforward Unvaxxed v vaxxed numbers of patients on ICU per month for individual hospitals) became inconvenient after they had promised the vax prevented hospitalisation and death. It didn't. They lied every step of the way (prevents infection, prevents spread, prevents severe illness, long term protection) and then hid the evidence.

Let's be clear about this, the average age of Covid death (with or of) was higher than life expectancy or thereabouts. The largest numbers of unvaxxed were in the deprived areas with the poorest health/diets and it was always the case from day 1 that the vast vast majority showed little or even no symptoms.

The jab didn't grant anybody eternal life or magically give them an extra 10 years as a bonus prize for being a compliant citizen, people who were jabbed still die. All cause mortality numbers - including excess - include vaccinated people.

Unvaxxed were not testing regularly, signing up for the NHS apps, NHS Covid surveys (I got one and binned it), track and trace or going to the doctor and presenting their symptoms for advice, there was no way of knowing how often or how ill unjabbed were apart the tiny fraction who became ill enough to require hospital treatment. Yet it reached the point of farce where young fit and healthy jabbed were wiped out with Covid telling the world "Thank goodness I got vaccinated or it would have been so much worse." when typically the fit and well pre-vax had been breezing through it. So if it were the case that the increase in heart issues is purely as a result of having Covid, the vaxxed won't be able to avoid it. Excess deaths in young and working age people as a result of heart conditions implies far greater numbers will have been damaged with the long term issues still to reveal themselves.

[BanjoPie]

You're having a laugh, it reached the point where the stats (You could download straightforward Unvaxxed v vaxxed numbers of patients on ICU per month for individual hospitals) became inconvenient after they had promised the vax prevented hospitalisation and death. It didn't. They lied every step of the way (prevents infection, prevents spread, prevents severe illness, long term protection) and then hid the evidence.

Let's be clear about this, the average age of Covid death (with or of) was higher than life expectancy or thereabouts. The largest numbers of unvaxxed were in the deprived areas with the poorest health/diets and it was always the case from day 1 that the vast vast majority showed little or even no symptoms.

The jab didn't grant anybody eternal life or magically give them an extra 10 years as a bonus prize for being a compliant citizen, people who were jabbed still die. All cause mortality numbers - including excess - include vaccinated people.

Unvaxxed were not testing regularly, signing up for the NHS apps, NHS Covid surveys (I got one and binned it), track and trace or going to the doctor and presenting their symptoms for advice, there was no way of knowing how often or how ill unjabbed were apart the tiny fraction who became ill enough to require hospital treatment. Yet it reached the point of farce where young fit and healthy jabbed were wiped out with Covid telling the world "Thank goodness I got vaccinated or it would have been so much worse." when typically the fit and well pre-vax had been breezing through it. So if it were the case that the increase in heart issues is purely as a result of having Covid, the vaxxed won't be able to avoid it. Excess deaths in young and working age people as a result of heart conditions implies far greater numbers will have been damaged with the long term issues still to reveal themselves.

You spend too much time on Facebook - is that where you get all the news from?

[countygump]

Clap for the NHS?




https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/...se-new-8538722

[upthemaggies]

Clap for the NHS?




https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/...se-new-8538722

Monkey Pox was declared a world emergency by the WHO a year ago, we were told it was spread between intimate partners, gay men in particular, it magically disappeared off the face the earth overnight after some children were diagnosed with it.

[i961pie]

If someone's argument has no logic to back it up then it's not worth arguing with them, their mind is made up and it won't change. Holocaust deniers and moon landing deniers are the same.

[BanjoPie]

If someone's argument has no logic to back it up then it's not worth arguing with them, their mind is made up and it won't change. Holocaust deniers and moon landing deniers are the same.

funny how they change the subject when asks for factual evidence

[Mapperleypie]

Why bother yourself with prevailing expert opinion and analysis?

You can spend a couple of hours on the internet and be way smarter on any complicated matter of public health or the economy than the prevailing wisdom from people who have dedicated their whole life to a particular field.

I blame the woke blob for this mess (or the WEF)* delete as appropriate.

Do your own research

[Jampie]

You're having a laugh, it reached the point where the stats (You could download straightforward Unvaxxed v vaxxed numbers of patients on ICU per month for individual hospitals) became inconvenient after they had promised the vax prevented hospitalisation and death. It didn't. They lied every step of the way (prevents infection, prevents spread, prevents severe illness, long term protection) and then hid the evidence.

Show me the evidence to the contrary then?

100% of the evidence I've seen shows that vaccinated people were hospitalised and died at far lower rates than unvaccinated. All of it. Every paper, every statistic, every government, every country.

Where is the evidence against?

[i961pie]

Sod the doctors in future, I will come on here and listen to the ''experts"😜

[upthemaggies]

Show me the evidence to the contrary then?

100% of the evidence I've seen shows that vaccinated people were hospitalised and died at far lower rates than unvaccinated. All of it. Every paper, every statistic, every government, every country.

Where is the evidence against?

You've reframed the argument.
You were making out vaccines prevented hospitalisation and death, now you're saying they were "far lower". The ICU stats were showing percentage of vaccinated were increasing and unvaccinated going down, then they stopped publishing as people began pointing that out.
Why would they push boosters if this were not the case?

As I said, unvaxxed were disproportionately from poor backgrounds and poor health. Average age maybe suggests they'd avoided care homes and being put on the ventilators in the first wave, then eventually caught it as it spread through communities.
No argument vax stimulated an immune response but it waned after three weeks and then you had no protection within around 3 months. Hence vaxxed then getting ill and need for boosters with talk of giving them indefinitely. 3 or 4 every year, which caused a lot more people to become suspicious and ask questions.

An experiment is trial and error. You wait to see what happens before declaring it safe, not before. This vax was given the green light on the basis there was a global emergency and that there was no other treatment whatsoever available. On one side you've got a diversity of ideas as to what can be done to treat people, the other insisting there can only be one single solution with anybody who suggests otherwise censored and smeared.