O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[countygump]

Can't remember what the mechanism was without looking it up, but AZ wasn't MRNA, so probably won't carry the same long term risks if you didn't have a bad reaction in the weeks after having it.

The thing we forget now is that people were not considered vaccinated until three weeks or so after they'd had their first shot, so anybody hospitalised post shot in that time frame and needing ICU or dying would have been counted as unvaxxed.

Yebbutt, the other three I had were all pfizer.

[countygump]

Actually the last one I had was Moderna. Wife just told me so it must be right.

[upthemaggies]

Actually the last one I had was Moderna. Wife just told me so it must be right.

That was MRNA and 'stronger' than Pfizer, said to offer more protection.

If you're no spring chicken then I don't think it's worth worrying about, I'm not in the "everybody will be dropping dead in 3-5 years camp" I expect it will be more like the Atomic bomb test vets where the life altering or life ending levels of radiation they were exposed to didn't become apparent until many decades later. Of the people whose opinion I respect and listen to the most, most of them think it made some sense to offer them to older people, their concern is for the young. My eldest, having left home and old enough to make his own decision, had two - so he could go clubbing.

[Magpies1959]

I am one of those considered extremely vulnerable, and had the first three vaccine shots, before reading more about it and decided to take my chances. I have never had covid as far as I am aware (7 negative hospital tests), could have had it asymptomatically I guess. I was also very blase about masks and the two metre rule.
It was interesting to note that absolutely nothing was mentioned on the msm about T cells, leaving joe public to believe everyone was at danger of catching the deadly virus. Maybe they could have tested everyone to see who had T cells, thus allowing them to go about their daily business.

[Elite_Pie]

I was also very blase about masks and the two metre rule.

Why does that not surprise me?

Boris would be proud of you.

[upthemaggies]

I am one of those considered extremely vulnerable, and had the first three vaccine shots, before reading more about it and decided to take my chances. I have never had covid as far as I am aware (7 negative hospital tests), could have had it asymptomatically I guess. I was also very blase about masks and the two metre rule.
It was interesting to note that absolutely nothing was mentioned on the msm about T cells, leaving joe public to believe everyone was at danger of catching the deadly virus. Maybe they could have tested everyone to see who had T cells, thus allowing them to go about their daily business.

Yep, they basically pretended natural immunity didn't exist, it was bizarre and felt very sinister.

We shouldn't underestimate the impact stress levels and loneliness had on people's ability to deal with the virus either. Many died with, not of and I can imagine lots of people just gave up on life seeing no end to it with nothing to look forward to whilst others must have been literally scared to death by the hysterical advertising which the government later admitted went too far.

The hospitals could offer no treatment and there is a debate about whether or not putting people on ventilators was generally a good idea. How many people panicked and called 999 (thinking it was more deadly than it was) and lost their lives in hospitals when they might have made it staying at home being cared for by family? With a calmer and more mature approach all round, would the NHS have been any more overwhelmed? We can't answer that but it's by no means a given that taking a different approach would have led to a worse outcome.

If Covid had been 1968/69 rather than 2020/21 I doubt we'd be recalling Covid as anything much different in terms of the impact on society as Hong Kong Flu did back then.

[BanjoPie]

out of interest UTM, have you ever read the possible side effects from statins? - every medication has its possible side effects. vaccines are the same! - would you suggest that we stop giving the MMR vaccine to children because an extremely small number of children have been know to get rubella and meningitis as a result?

[countygump]

Why does that not surprise me?

Boris would be proud of you.

I still wear a mask, when I go shopping etc. I'm regularly wash my hands and even use wipes in between the times I'm able to do that. I've had Covid twice in the last 9 months.

I'd have to say though that I've had Common Colds that had much worse symptoms. All I experienced was a bit of a scratchy throat, bit of coughing, bit of achiness, symptoms gone after a few days though.

[i961pie]

I don't trust anything this government says or does, and can easily believe that many of them and their mates got very rich because of covid. But I think the vaccine was a case of 'damned if they do, damned if they don't'. The arguments for and against were way too complex for me, but the majority view was that a vaccine was needed and I don't think that was down to money.

I had 3 doses, and if I could turn the clock back I'd do exactly the same.

Ditto

[i961pie]

Any reason why youve not had the other doses they are giving out .?

Don't you have to be 75 or over?