O/T:- Just Stop Boil

[laddo]

Ok, you are confusing efficiency with the force a brake caliper / drum set up can put out, if you think a drum brake has one cylinder with two small bores which act against the brake shoes which contact the drum, a brake caliper (performance caliper) usually has four pistons (can be up to 10) with diameters of anything from 25mm to 40mm so the caliper can put 4 x pistons onto the pad which contacts the disc , where a drum set up will put 2 x small bore pistons which will give a smaller braking torque. Where the caliper falls down is that it’s not very energy efficient where the heat will either go into the disc or atmosphere whereas the drum set up retains the heat in the drum. (Hence why the F1 cars use a drum over the caliper and disc) Drum technology has moved on and most military stuff uses drums as the actuation side and amount of force that can be acted on a drum has come on. All motorsport is about is energy management and controlling it to a certain degree.

Regen systems has taken a completely different turn as now with regenning through a motor you can down spec calipers / discs (lighter reducing un sprung mass, which is great for handling and performance) as the most braking force you are going to need is when the battery is full as when the battery uses power the regenthrough the motor will take up the difference in braking force needed and the calipers / discs taking up the rest of the force needed.

Formula E this season decided to take away the rear brakes completely and just rely on Regen on the rear axle but this ended in disaster as if you have no Regen on the first few laps (battery fully charged) and no conventional brakes then you’re not going to stop!! They’ve now reverted to re-fitting rear brakes!! Hope this explains!

"If you ask me, Muhammad Ali, in his prime, was much better than anti-lock brakes."

[Elite_Pie]

The lawyer for the victim has said it's a load of rubbish.

But that would mean The Sun had no real evidence for their front page headlines.

Surely front page headlines in The Sun can't be published based on lies?

[magpie_mania]

But that would mean The Sun had no real evidence for their front page headlines.

Surely front page headlines in The Sun can't be published based on lies?

I don't know. I would rather read the truth in the Daily Mail.

[upthemaggies]

Harbottle and Lewis now apparently acting on behalf of the youth in question, said to be one of the top lawyers in the country who have worked for the Royal family. If that is the case, who put this kid in touch with them and whoi's paying for it?

[Old_pie]

Harbottle and Lewis now apparently acting on behalf of the youth in question, said to be one of the top lawyers in the country who have worked for the Royal family. If that is the case, who put this kid in touch with them and whoi's paying for it?

As intriguing as it all is this clamour for detail is really quite futile. Just wait for the police, and maybe even the BBC's own investigators, to do their job. The police will surely have access to the all parties bank accounts so they'll see what dates payments were made, if any, and what age the youth was on those dates. How can we sit here and second guess the various parties' motives? And whoever is paying Harbottle and Lewis (if indeed they are being paid) it would be very suprising if they are prepared to risk sullying their reputation in anyway.

Patience; some of the conjecturers on tw**ter may well be heading for trouble by jumping in with two feet and no brain.

[BigFatPie]

But that would mean The Sun had no real evidence for their front page headlines.

Surely front page headlines in The Sun can't be published based on lies?

The Sun newspaper who used to put 16 year olds on page 3 before someone pointed out they shouldn’t is now claiming the moral high ground.

[Old_pie]

But that would mean The Sun had no real evidence for their front page headlines.

Surely front page headlines in The Sun can't be published based on lies?

The Sun mirrored (well I couldn't possibly say "mailed" could I?) what the mother and step dad said. If I quote you then I can be accurate in that quote if though your quote may be nonsensical. Maybe reporting no longer needs evidence. I can't keep up with modern trends.

[BanjoPie]

I don't know. I would rather read the truth in the Daily Mail.

[Elite_Pie]

The Sun mirrored (well I couldn't possibly say "mailed" could I?) what the mother and step dad said. If I quote you then I can be accurate in that quote if though your quote may be nonsensical.

That's true, but my nonsensical quote would be a personal one read by maybe a few dozen people.

The Sun has a bit more responsibility. They charge for what they print, so I think their responsibility for what they publish is greater than mine. The "we only published what they told us" excuse is a pretty pathetic one.

[cher1]

Harbottle and Lewis now apparently acting on behalf of the youth in question, said to be one of the top lawyers in the country who have worked for the Royal family. If that is the case, who put this kid in touch with them and whoi's paying for it?

That's the key question isn't it. Vulnerable young adult with drug issues engages top lawyers. It's an everyday event...not.