O/T:- Banks

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Apologies for the delayed reply, Elite, I'm only here sporadically at present!

You're right that the internet carries varied opinion on any subject, but I referred you to the wide range of opinion on how Brexit has benefited us or will benefit us rather than arrogantly assuming that you were specifically/just interested in my own specific take. My view is actually incredibly straight-forward and has little to do with immigration, economic advantages or disadvantages, public funding or who lied about what.

The reason I consider that Britain benefits from Brexit is because I just fundamentally don't accept that we are 'European' and so I believe we should never have joined its political framework, frankly regardless of the supposed 'advantages' or 'disadvantages' people might argue this offers us at any given point in time. Therefore, I believe our identity as a nation benefits from now being "not" part of the European Union. It's as fundamental as that.

Others may disagree either with my choice to vote for Brexit, or my particular reason for doing so, but that's why I referred to the whole range of opinion out there. I can't really speak for anyone else and it's not my job to judge the validity or otherwise of their views, but I recognise there a many!




I suppose my view comes closest to the first part of reason three (i.e. Let's rid ourselves of the EU shackles), but with regard to the other reasons you raise, and several more besides, I agree with you that Britain has not yet 'exploited' (if that's the word) Brexit to anything like it's fullest potential. For that I blame a partially inept and forever shape-shifting Government and, as referenced earlier, anti-Brexit forces (some of whom are inside said Government!) who were always going to do their everything within their very considerable power to prevent the benefits of Brexit from being delivered quickly or fully. That doesn't surprise me. Anyone who voted for Brexit should have known that these dark forces would not suddenly admit defeat, pack up and go home. Winning a Brexit vote was only ever going to be a step in a particular direction.

That does not however mean the Brexit decision was "wrong" or has "failed". From my viewpoint, anything that (at least significantly) removed us from the tanglehairs of the EU represents an automatic and immediate benefit, even if not a full or complete one to date. If there was another Brexit vote in the future - and for precisely the reasons stated above I wouldn't be at all surprised - then I'd vote exactly the same way for exactly the same personal reason and hope many others would too.

This very much matches by views.
In 1975 I voted to remain in a common market which I thought was a good idea.
Since then despite the common market changed, rapidly becoming the EU with treaties that changed our membership. Neither political parties gave us a vote to get our agreement to these fairly radical changes.

I wasn’t taken in or hoodwinked by the various scares, untruths and downright lies told by both sides of the argument.

I am glad we are out of the EU and hope that despite slow progress with some difficulties I foresee that long term (I have always thought 10 years) we will see the benefits outweighs the downsides.

I feel that the quality of our politics and politicians has diminished over the last 40 to 50 years as a lot of legislation taken by the EU.
See the massive amount of EU legislation in our statue book. If you look at all the parties in my opinion we have a dearth of quality.

Members of my family voted in different ways but we manage to have civil discussions.

It is always interesting to be put right by many Brexit experts who know much more than I do !


Nobody on the remain side seems to discuss what the EU will be like in 10 years time.
I for one think it may be a busted flush but what does a council house lad from Gedling know.

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Nobody on the remain side seems to discuss what the EU will be like in 10 years time.
I for one think it may be a busted flush but what does a council house lad from Gedling know.

Lifted from a financial forum so not BBC Verified!!:

As for GDP size....

EU GDP. 16 Trillion USD (2022)

CPTPP. 12 Trillion USD (2021)

Smaller ATM, but not by that much. And other countries waiting to join. Its expected to eclipse the EU around 2028-30

And the advantage of less political competition (hopefully), plus more friends!