Cash Turnstile in Dens Park

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Returnofrros posted that you wee a Union man and another poster had a pop at you about tickets for a previous Radio One weekend in Camperdown Park going missing in the post.
I took my opportunity to have a moan about the shambolic delivery of Royal Mail letters on Islay.
The Islay Community Councillors will do nothing about it so I have to use Internet forums and social media which are read worldwide to highlight this problem.

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So you suggest splitting letters from parcels, that’s one of the reasons we were on strike, there is a shortage of workers but you’d double them, have to deliveries each day to the same addresses, one with letters then another postman at your door 20 minutes later with a parcel, think about that
The anazon thing isn’t just on the isles, it’s all over the country in rural areas, it’s not a level playing field, Royal Mail can’t put parcels into their sytstems but they can dump them on us

Royal Mail should terminate their contract with Amazon and leave Amazon to deliver their parcels using their own delivery drivers and vans which they do in the cities including Dundee.
When I order goods online from firms like Lakeland their parcel is delivered by Hermes to a parcels depot in Glasgow where it is transported to Islay to be delivered by the local carrier on Islay. It works fine.
Amazon could do the same and the problem of the delivery of letters on Islay would end overnight as the pressure to deliver the Amazon parcels within 24 hours for Amazon Prime customers would be transferred to the local carrier whose staff have been trained to only deliver parcels.

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Don't know who or what the firestick army is Help? I have a firestick but is this what people use for watching DfC games.
Good point about ease of PATG against not going at all. I think Nelms has given up on trying to attract more supporters using good marketing initiatives. Don't think that he sees this as a weakness that he has created. I think it is his lack of support for good communications that is letting this develop. Could be a growing downward trend.
I fear that the very negative opinions expressed about Dee4life on this forum are being interpreted by Nelms as justification for his poor engagement with them.
Instead of rubbishing the answers they have got, is it not a stronger pressure on Nelms if the criticism is directed towards the feebleness of the answers that have been given to Dee4life.
I know that there is a thread about the recent Dee4life communication. Maybe should have made this point on there?

Any time that if someone asks Nelms a question that he does not like he shuts himself away in his bunker at the Gardyne Training Centre until people give up.
At the end of last October (2022) BBC Scotland the Nine were planning to broadcast a topic about the new stadium at Campy Nou.
I know that Ross Day of Dee4life was interviewed but when BBC Scotland the Nine tried to ask questions to Dundee Football Club they never received a reply.
That was the end of the topic about the new stadium at Campy Nou on BBC Scotland The Nine and Nelms had won because he refused to answer questions.
The only time Nelms has been rattled is when there were photographs in the Evening Telegraph last January showing the seats in South Enclosure covered in bird droppings. Although there was no comment from Nelms he must have sanctioned the purchase of tarpaulins to cover the seats in the South Enclosure to prevent further damming photographs appearing in the local press.
The latest Dee4life newsletter has photographs which could only have been taken at the Motherwell game on Saturday 5th August 2023 showing seats in the South Enclosure again covered in bird droppings with the concrete beside the seats also covered in bird droppings.
The Motherwell game was the first time that the South Enclosure had been open for supporters to sit in this season.

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Don't know who or what the firestick army is Help? I have a firestick but is this what people use for watching DfC games.
Good point about ease of PATG against not going at all. I think Nelms has given up on trying to attract more supporters using good marketing initiatives. Don't think that he sees this as a weakness that he has created. I think it is his lack of support for good communications that is letting this develop. Could be a growing downward trend.
I fear that the very negative opinions expressed about Dee4life on this forum are being interpreted by Nelms as justification for his poor engagement with them.
Instead of rubbishing the answers they have got, is it not a stronger pressure on Nelms if the criticism is directed towards the feebleness of the answers that have been given to Dee4life.
I know that there is a thread about the recent Dee4life communication. Maybe should have made this point on there?

But but but D4L have been "greatly encouraged" by the communication.

Are you saying they are "greatly encouraged" by the poor engagement.

I'm confused, surely it can't be both.

I doubt D4L take any notice of what anyone says on here, they didn't take any notice of their membership who attended AGM.

And Linda won't even be aware this site exists.

The one or two negative opinions are because they went in a completely different direction to what they said they would.......unless I misinterpreted " holding Linda's feet to the fire "........as .........." getting bird **** AFF seats "

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But but but D4L have been "greatly encouraged" by the communication.

Are you saying they are "greatly encouraged" by the poor engagement.

I'm confused, surely it can't be both.

I doubt D4L take any notice of what anyone says on here, they didn't take any notice of their membership who attended AGM.

And Linda won't even be aware this site exists.

The one or two negative opinions are because they went in a completely different direction to what they said they would.......unless I misinterpreted " holding Linda's feet to the fire "........as .........." getting bird **** AFF seats "

Think Dee4life are simply communicating the answers they got. Don't think they are greatly encouraged at all, but any residual niggles with the answers they have received are explained, they have given possible assistance, so issues remaining are still live and back in DFC's hands.


I think it is likely that "holding feet to the fire" will only become a possible strategy if the guys who actually support the club take action. I can't see Dee4life leading anything. I think their job is to bring to the attention of the DFC board issues that have been worrying fans. I hope they will keep raising issues, like the sound system for the SE, and keep raising it until it is fixed. Same goes for PATG and the problem of pigeon droppings.

It does seem that the strong and it seemed to me unanimous voices for confrontation raised at the AGM have been batted away by Nelms. Football has saved him, and will do so again imo, if we finish 10th or above this season.

I think dissenting voices emphasise the weakness of the Dee4life position.
Calls for resignations from the Dee4life board because of a failure to deliver on things like the DFC board representation seem to me to be based on an unrealistic assessment of their ability to deliver this.
If you say there are one or two negative voices why would Dee4life be concerned? Maybe I should just ignore these voices too?

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Think Dee4life are simply communicating the answers they got. Don't think they are greatly encouraged at all, but any residual niggles with the answers they have received are explained, they have given possible assistance, so issues remaining are still live and back in DFC's hands.


I think it is likely that "holding feet to the fire" will only become a possible strategy if the guys who actually support the club take action. I can't see Dee4life leading anything. I think their job is to bring to the attention of the DFC board issues that have been worrying fans. I hope they will keep raising issues, like the sound system for the SE, and keep raising it until it is fixed. Same goes for PATG and the problem of pigeon droppings.

It does seem that the strong and it seemed to me unanimous voices for confrontation raised at the AGM have been batted away by Nelms. Football has saved him, and will do so again imo, if we finish 10th or above this season.

I think dissenting voices emphasise the weakness of the Dee4life position.
Calls for resignations from the Dee4life board because of a failure to deliver on things like the DFC board representation seem to me to be based on an unrealistic assessment of their ability to deliver this.
If you say there are one or two negative voices why would Dee4life be concerned? Maybe I should just ignore these voices too?

Maybe concerned because theres an AGM coming up and some folk may want answers.

One of the reasons I cancelled my membership was to become lightly critical after they took a completely different direction from one promised.

Yeah just ignore........you'll get on D4L board. 😂

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Was not sure you would realise my final comment was tongue in cheek!

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But but but D4L have been "greatly encouraged" by the communication.

Are you saying they are "greatly encouraged" by the poor engagement.

I'm confused, surely it can't be both.

I doubt D4L take any notice of what anyone says on here, they didn't take any notice of their membership who attended AGM.

And Linda won't even be aware this site exists.

The one or two negative opinions are because they went in a completely different direction to what they said they would.......unless I misinterpreted " holding Linda's feet to the fire "........as .........." getting bird **** AFF seats "

You need to remember that the Dee4life Director Kenny Valentine who had his latest meeting with Greg Fenton was not a Dee4life director when the AGM was held on 19th November 2022.

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Think Dee4life are simply communicating the answers they got. Don't think they are greatly encouraged at all, but any residual niggles with the answers they have received are explained, they have given possible assistance, so issues remaining are still live and back in DFC's hands.


I think it is likely that "holding feet to the fire" will only become a possible strategy if the guys who actually support the club take action. I can't see Dee4life leading anything. I think their job is to bring to the attention of the DFC board issues that have been worrying fans. I hope they will keep raising issues, like the sound system for the SE, and keep raising it until it is fixed. Same goes for PATG and the problem of pigeon droppings.

It does seem that the strong and it seemed to me unanimous voices for confrontation raised at the AGM have been batted away by Nelms. Football has saved him, and will do so again imo, if we finish 10th or above this season.

I think dissenting voices emphasise the weakness of the Dee4life position.
Calls for resignations from the Dee4life board because of a failure to deliver on things like the DFC board representation seem to me to be based on an unrealistic assessment of their ability to deliver this.
If you say there are one or two negative voices why would Dee4life be concerned? Maybe I should just ignore these voices too?

Dee4life was in a far stronger position in May 2022 than they are now thanks to the failure of the current board of directors to send emails directly to John Nelms demanding answers.
Dee4Life used to publish a newsletter which consisted of eight pages and it had articles about all sorts of things to do with Dundee Football Club including a article about the queues outside the ticket office before games. That was before the Club purchased the former newspaper sellers booth to hand out pre ordered tickets before the Motherwell game and a handful of games last season.
I remember reading another article about the unkempt state of the Main Stand.
Now the Dee4life newsletters tell us nothing.
Are you aware that Dee4life have their own exclusive tie pin which were on sale at the last AGM at a cost of £3 each.
In my opinion these exclusive Dee4life tie pins should be advertised in each newsletter showing a photograph of one and details how to purchase them including the cost of postage and packing if applicable.
I know for a fact that there are plenty left in stock.

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Dee4life was in a far stronger position in May 2022 than they are now thanks to the failure of the current board of directors to send emails directly to John Nelms demanding answers.
Dee4Life used to publish a newsletter which consisted of eight pages and it had articles about all sorts of things to do with Dundee Football Club including a article about the queues outside the ticket office before games. That was before the Club purchased the former newspaper sellers booth to hand out pre ordered tickets before the Motherwell game and a handful of games last season.
I remember reading another article about the unkempt state of the Main Stand.
Now the Dee4life newsletters tell us nothing.
Are you aware that Dee4life have their own exclusive tie pin which were on sale at the last AGM at a cost of £3 each.
In my opinion these exclusive Dee4life tie pins should be advertised in each newsletter showing a photograph of one and details how to purchase them including the cost of postage and packing if applicable.
I know for a fact that there are plenty left in stock.

Tie pins? Seriously?

Nobody even wears a tie these days so why would they invest money into a stock of tie pins? Are they completely nuts?