O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Magpies1959]

Is it not possible to have differing opinions on global warming.

[Jampie]

Saving it from what and from who?

In football terms, the "Climate change" movement would be like some super rich owner in the wings about to buy Notts out of another inevitable slump whilst cryptically posting about a "#Nottsprogress deal until enough people are on board with it, then it turns out that the whole #Nottsprogress endgame is moving the club MK Dons style 50 odd miles away to "save it from certain extinction" and "secure it's future in a better environment", by which time half the fan base are so hooked by the new owners spiel that anybody against it is a #Nottsprogress denier. "You don't believe in Notts progressing???? You want Notts to go backwards???? Ha ha ha, you call yourself a supporter!!! what an idiot."

I can't even begin to follow the analogy you're trying to draw here?

[upthemaggies]

You think climate change is a movement?

This reply just sums up my point. Use a slogan nobody can disagree with to advance your cause, then mock anybody who disagrees with you on the premise that they are objecting to or denying your slogan rather than what's behind it.

The climate has always changed and always will do. That's got nothing to do with people. If it did then there's a very simple solution and there's seemingly enough people who believe it to be the case to make the ultimate sacrifice.

[Elite_Pie]

GB News only became a 'thing', because the main stream news became so biased towards the left, in TV terms anyway.

It is amazing that people happy to take in the news from their side of the political fence, become very upset when a new news outlet tries to put the other side of the story.

That entirely depends on where you site your personal political fence.

You have erected yours bang on the line where GB News is perfectly unbiased, balanced and rational in it's presentation. When your opinion is that GB News is the benchmark for fairness, it's hardly surprising that you think mainstream news on TV is "so biased towards the left".

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Whatever your political bias, I think we are heading for a very different and scary future.
Luckily I am old enough to have lived through the good times. It is the kids I feel sorry for, who are being indoctrinated at school, to believe the real problems are saving the effing planet and deciding which gender you are

Off course saving the planet isn't really that important !! Certainly not for you and me as we are on our way out.As you say it's the kids I feel sorry for having to pick up from our ambivalence regards climate change.

[Newish Pie]

Is it not possible to have differing opinions on global warming.

I mean, it's possible. People manage. In spite of the overwhelming scientific consensus, people somehow manage to hold the opinion that the climate isn't changing in dangerous ways and that it's all a hoax because of reasons.

I don't really understand why... I mean, I get that there have been disinformation campaigns for decades that have been fooling people who are prone to conspiratorial thinking or contrarianism or spending too much time in the crankosphere. I get that it would be nice to think that we're not facing an existential threat to our way of life, and wishful thinking is more comforting than hard truths.

But unless I've misunderstood, you seem to want to be immune from criticism or mockery. You are entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to have that opinion taken seriously, or go unchallenged, or given equal weight to those of actual experts. People who've really, genuinely "done their own research".

[BanjoPie]

Guys, can we just stick to the main issue ie: are we impressed with the leadership of the current government!! - personally, IMO, Rishi Sunac is a downgrade on Boris!!- Thoughts?

[Elite_Pie]

Guys, can we just stick to the main issue ie: are we impressed with the leadership of the current government!! - personally, IMO, Rishi Sunac is a downgrade on Boris!!- Thoughts?

Sunak is a definite upgrade on Boris Johnson.

However, a piece of dogsh!t would be an upgrade on Boris Johnson.

[upthemaggies]

What happened the last time the planet warmed up? Too many Wildebeest using gas stoves?

"Environmental catastrophe"? What does that look like exactly and how is it going to go on long enough to have any impact whatsoever on the long term future of the planet, given the cycles it's been through in the past that have been unfit for almost all forms of life on land currently adapted to the fleeting present conditions.

Let's be honest, this has got duck all to do with saving the planet. At best it's about saving humans from extinction. In the grand scheme of things however that is completely irrelevant as well as inevitable. Logically, if you're for "saving the planet" from human activity then it will be better off without any humans on it - and that is assuming that "man made climate change" is going to completely and utterly reduce the human population to zero and that nothing else - AI, nuclear war, gain of function experiments, reactor meltdowns or whatever - is more likely to do it instead and do far more harm to the environment.

[upthemaggies]

I mean, it's possible. People manage. In spite of the overwhelming scientific consensus, people somehow manage to hold the opinion that the climate isn't changing in dangerous ways and that it's all a hoax because of reasons.

I don't really understand why... I mean, I get that there have been disinformation campaigns for decades that have been fooling people who are prone to conspiratorial thinking or contrarianism or spending too much time in the crankosphere. I get that it would be nice to think that we're not facing an existential threat to our way of life, and wishful thinking is more comforting than hard truths.

But unless I've misunderstood, you seem to want to be immune from criticism or mockery. You are entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to have that opinion taken seriously, or go unchallenged, or given equal weight to those of actual experts. People who've really, genuinely "done their own research".

Experts do not all agree and science isn't settled by consensus. That is not how science works.