O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Magpies1959]

Jampie, I think you give Putin way to much credit for somehow controlling our thoughts. He certainly has had zero influence on my thoughts about Brexit and vaccines for example. It just seems to be the arrogant lefties way of convincing themselves that, people who have differing views to themselves are too thick to have these opinions without having been influenced by outside forces, namely Putin in your eyes.

There have been enough cases of people trying to prove Putin influenced Brexit, that have been laughed out of court.

[upthemaggies]

Jampie, I think you give Putin way to much credit for somehow controlling our thoughts. He certainly has had zero influence on my thoughts about Brexit and vaccines for example. It just seems to be the arrogant lefties way of convincing themselves that, people who have differing views to themselves are too thick to have these opinions without having been influenced by outside forces, namely Putin in your eyes.

There have been enough cases of people trying to prove Putin influenced Brexit, that have been laughed out of court.

They think that because they've never had an independent thought in their life, they just parrot the narrative and assume anybody who is out of lockstep must be being told what to think and say by the enemy.

[SwalePie]

They think that because they've never had an independent thought in their life, they just parrot the narrative and assume anybody who is out of lockstep must be being told what to think and say by the enemy.

That's what they WANT you to think, don't fall for it.

[Jampie]

Jampie, I think you give Putin way to much credit for somehow controlling our thoughts. He certainly has had zero influence on my thoughts about Brexit and vaccines for example.

That's exactly what Putin would want you to say. Just like all of your statements on both of those subjects. Coincidence? Could be. But given that you think Science is a religion and never supply any evidence for anything you say, where should I think you're getting your views from?

It just seems to be the arrogant lefties way of convincing themselves that, people who have differing views to themselves are too thick to have these opinions without having been influenced by outside forces, namely Putin in your eyes.

There have been enough cases of people trying to prove Putin influenced Brexit, that have been laughed out of court.

Arron Banks met the Russian Ambassador at the Russian embassy on at least four documented occasions and lied about it, after putting eight million pounds down. He fobbed it off as a single lunch once, and was found out. Farage has also been spotted at the Russian embassy. There's basically no chance those observed meetings were the only meetings, and that's been stated by a judge in court.

Not sure how much more blatant that needs to be for you to accept that some influence occurred.

Do you really imagine Putin saw a campaign to split the UK from the EU and decided not to help it along in any way? Can you explain why he would do that?

I may be an arrogant leftie, but if I think you're influenced by things other than facts and science, it's largely because you repeatedly state that you are, as you have done numerous times in this thread. It boggles my mind a bit, given how bang on you are with stats about Notts County that you don't apply the same intellect to other areas. You can bring up our football performance stats going back forever, why can't you do the same, just once, with temperature records? You're more than capable of doing this and have proven it many times.

As to views other than my own... having a right wing view of economics or foreign policy is probably closer to my own viewpoint that most people on the left. I'm perfectly happy to discuss differences of ideology or policy with someone, but "science is a religion" is just not a sane viewpoint I can engage with. It's just a blatantly false statement.

[upthemaggies]

But given that you think Science is a religion and never supply any evidence for anything you say, where should I think you're getting your views from?

.

Well there's all we need to know about how your mind works right there. You can't comprehend how anybody could arrive at a point of view without being taken by the hand and led there.

[Jampie]

Well there's all we need to know about how your mind works right there. You can't comprehend how anybody could arrive at a point of view without being taken by the hand and led there.

Or using the facts and deduction. What's this mysterious other way you speak of?

[upthemaggies]

Or using the facts and deduction. What's this mysterious other way you speak of?

You'd have to find that one out for yourself. You aren't going to find it written down anywhere and nobody can show you.

[sidders]

Jampie, I think you give Putin way to much credit for somehow controlling our thoughts. He certainly has had zero influence on my thoughts about Brexit and vaccines for example. It just seems to be the arrogant lefties way of convincing themselves that, people who have differing views to themselves are too thick to have these opinions without having been influenced by outside forces, namely Putin in your eyes.

There have been enough cases of people trying to prove Putin influenced Brexit, that have been laughed out of court.

The most successful thought control works at a subconscious level. No one is suggesting that you are directly influenced by Putin or Xi or even Modi.
Is it only arrogant lefties that think those not sharing their views are 'too thick'? I know a few conceited righties, many of whom appear regularly in / on the meeja who are just as guilty.