Dee4Life Update - The Correct Facts

[Deeranged]

That is up to the Dee4life Chairman and board of directors to publish the letter which they have had in their possession since 7th December 2022 including name of the Dee4life Director who sent his own personal submission about the Camperdown development to About Planning Limited who were receiving submissions on behalf of Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited.
Deeranged might not be happy as it would prove in writing that it was not my personal submission.

Your whinging on social media has made a massive contribution though. it's not about one specific letter is it? 'Much of the anger' not all of the anger.

[islaydarkblue]

Your whinging on social media has made a massive contribution though. it's not about one specific letter is it? 'Much of the anger' not all of the anger.

If you had not set up topic on Mad and also posting on Pravda without having the full facts none of this would have happened.
Thanks to another post a former Dee4life director has been dragged into this debate.
The simple solution is for Dee4life to post a update on their website stating the name of the Dee4life Director whose personal submission about the Camperdown development was quoted in full along with the Letter signed ‘Dundee Football Club Ltd’.

[BCram]

Your whinging on social media has made a massive contribution though. it's not about one specific letter is it? 'Much of the anger' not all of the anger.

Seems to me you started it all with a post on Pravda. Disappointed because the first time Dee4life stand up and actually criticise in public the DFC board, something that you and others have been asking for for months, the topic goes off track.

[Deeranged]

Seems to me you started it all with a post on Pravda. Disappointed because the first time Dee4life stand up and actually criticise in public the DFC board, something that you and others have been asking for for months, the topic goes off track.

Sorry BCram, I disagree. Islay started the whole thing years ago when he made it very clear that he was vehemently opposed to any new stadium complex at Camperdown stating that he would be putting an objection to the plans since, in his less than expert view and based only on an initial impression, the traffic management plan wasn't up to it. As an aside do you remember him bleating about there only being one entry and egress, via Kingsway, despite the plans clearly showing an additional entry / egress at Coupar Angus Road? Islay was then firstly invited and then formally elected onto the Dee4life board, a truly astonishing decision by all concerned.

Is it any wonder the club sees Dee4Life as hostile when they freely welcome aboard someone so strongly opposed to their proposed plans? And now it turns out he wasn't the only Dee4Life board member willing to raise barriers. Honestly couldn't make it up. The whole issue surrounding the club noting Dee4Life board members objecting to its plans needs discussed and Islay is a very large part of that discussion.

Islay is now gone from the board, whoever this mystery board member is also needs to resign or be forced out if that's not already done. Dee4Life members also need to know the identity of this person so that we know to object to any proposed re-election of the individual - it's not up to Islay to spill the info, it needs to come from the current Dee4Life board.

[BCram]

Sorry BCram, I disagree. Islay started the whole thing years ago when he made it very clear that he was vehemently opposed to any new stadium complex at Camperdown stating that he would be putting an objection to the plans since, in his less than expert view and based only on an initial impression, the traffic management plan wasn't up to it. As an aside do you remember him bleating about there only being one entry and egress, via Kingsway, despite the plans clearly showing an additional entry / egress at Coupar Angus Road? Islay was then firstly invited and then formally elected onto the Dee4life board, a truly astonishing decision by all concerned.

Is it any wonder the club sees Dee4Life as hostile when they freely welcome aboard someone so strongly opposed to their proposed plans? And now it turns out he wasn't the only Dee4Life board member willing to raise barriers. Honestly couldn't make it up. The whole issue surrounding the club noting Dee4Life board members objecting to its plans needs discussed and Islay is a very large part of that discussion.

Islay is now gone from the board, whoever this mystery board member is also needs to resign or be forced out if that's not already done. Dee4Life members also need to know the identity of this person so that we know to object to any proposed re-election of the individual - it's not up to Islay to spill the info, it needs to come from the current Dee4Life board.

OK, let's not get hung up over Islay. Agree with you that the Dee4life board should try to get the inaccuracies in their statement explained.

[Deeranged]

OK, let's not get hung up over Islay. Agree with you that the Dee4life board should try to get the inaccuracies in their statement explained.

I'll back off from Islay, I know he means well and is just a bit set in his ways.

Very disappointed with the way Dee4Life is becoming more and more distant from the club, seemed they were giving the impression of trying to build a relationship whilst all along there's been legal advice taken and mentions of MSPs.

[islaydarkblue]

Sorry BCram, I disagree. Islay started the whole thing years ago when he made it very clear that he was vehemently opposed to any new stadium complex at Camperdown stating that he would be putting an objection to the plans since, in his less than expert view and based only on an initial impression, the traffic management plan wasn't up to it. As an aside do you remember him bleating about there only being one entry and egress, via Kingsway, despite the plans clearly showing an additional entry / egress at Coupar Angus Road? Islay was then firstly invited and then formally elected onto the Dee4life board, a truly astonishing decision by all concerned.

Is it any wonder the club sees Dee4Life as hostile when they freely welcome aboard someone so strongly opposed to their proposed plans? And now it turns out he wasn't the only Dee4Life board member willing to raise barriers. Honestly couldn't make it up. The whole issue surrounding the club noting Dee4Life board members objecting to its plans needs discussed and Islay is a very large part of that discussion.

Islay is now gone from the board, whoever this mystery board member is also needs to resign or be forced out if that's not already done. Dee4Life members also need to know the identity of this person so that we know to object to any proposed re-election of the individual - it's not up to Islay to spill the info, it needs to come from the current Dee4Life board.

The original plans showed only one entrance and exit road using the existing access and exit road for the former NCR Camperdown factory.
It was only when Transport Scotland refused to allow vehicles to exit the stadium car parks onto the slip road from the A90 Kingsway to the Camperdown roundabout that a new exit road had to be found.
That is why the exit road via Dayton Drive has been included in the latest plans for the Campy Nou development. One road from the A 90 Kingsway into the stadium car parks and a separate exit road from the stadium car parks leading to the mini roundabout at the foot of Faraday Street which is also known as Timex Brae on the Coupar Angus road.

[islaydarkblue]

Sorry BCram, I disagree. Islay started the whole thing years ago when he made it very clear that he was vehemently opposed to any new stadium complex at Camperdown stating that he would be putting an objection to the plans since, in his less than expert view and based only on an initial impression, the traffic management plan wasn't up to it. As an aside do you remember him bleating about there only being one entry and egress, via Kingsway, despite the plans clearly showing an additional entry / egress at Coupar Angus Road? Islay was then firstly invited and then formally elected onto the Dee4life board, a truly astonishing decision by all concerned.

Is it any wonder the club sees Dee4Life as hostile when they freely welcome aboard someone so strongly opposed to their proposed plans? And now it turns out he wasn't the only Dee4Life board member willing to raise barriers. Honestly couldn't make it up. The whole issue surrounding the club noting Dee4Life board members objecting to its plans needs discussed and Islay is a very large part of that discussion.

Islay is now gone from the board, whoever this mystery board member is also needs to resign or be forced out if that's not already done. Dee4Life members also need to know the identity of this person so that we know to object to any proposed re-election of the individual - it's not up to Islay to spill the info, it needs to come from the current Dee4Life board.

Yesterday afternoon I sent an email to Dee4life asking them to put a statement on their website stating that it was not my personal submission about the Camperdown development which was mentioned in the latest Dee4life newsletter.
I also asked them to state the name of the Dee4life Director who incidentally is entitled to their own opinion even if it upset the person who signed the letter ‘Dundee Football Club Ltd’.
I received a prompt reply from the Dee4life Secretary who stated that there is nothing in the Dee4life letter which could possibly lead people to think that relates to you more than any other director of the trust at the time of letter.
The Dee4life secretary further added that they will not be naming the director concerned due to the Data Protection Act.
I sent a further email to the Dee4life Secretary asking him which part of the first paragraph of the newsletter headed Board Statement do you not think could be related to me.
I am still waiting for a reply.
As a result of this paragraph in the newsletter every Dee4life Director at the time of the letter dated 7th December 2022 could be the guilty party.
I know that it was not me so it is now up to the Dee4life Director who submitted his own personal submission about the Camperdown development to put his hands up and admit it or the Dee4life Chairman will have to put a statement on the Dee4life website quoting the name of Dee4life director concerned.
If the Dee4life Chairman and board of directors will not come clean and name the Dee4life Director concerned then it will have to be dragged out of them at the next Dee4life AGM whenever that might be.

[Deeranged]

Yesterday afternoon I sent an email to Dee4life asking them to put a statement on their website stating that it was not my personal submission about the Camperdown development which was mentioned in the latest Dee4life newsletter.
I also asked them to state the name of the Dee4life Director who incidentally is entitled to their own opinion even if it upset the person who signed the letter ‘Dundee Football Club Ltd’.
I received a prompt reply from the Dee4life Secretary who stated that there is nothing in the Dee4life letter which could possibly lead people to think that relates to you more than any other director of the trust at the time of letter.
The Dee4life secretary further added that they will not be naming the director concerned due to the Data Protection Act.
I sent a further email to the Dee4life Secretary asking him which part of the first paragraph of the newsletter headed Board Statement do you not think could be related to me.
I am still waiting for a reply.
As a result of this paragraph in the newsletter every Dee4life Director at the time of the letter dated 7th December 2022 could be the guilty party.
I know that it was not me so it is now up to the Dee4life Director who submitted his own personal submission about the Camperdown development to put his hands up and admit it or the Dee4life Chairman will have to put a statement on the Dee4life website quoting the name of Dee4life director concerned.
If the Dee4life Chairman and board of directors will not come clean and name the Dee4life Director concerned then it will have to be dragged out of them at the next Dee4life AGM whenever that might be.

I agree Islay. The responsible person needs to make himself / herself known and should also, IMO, resign as a consequence.

Alternatively maybe the entire Dee4Life board can stand in solidarity with the right to anonymity of the individual and resign en masse?

[islaydarkblue]

I agree Islay. The responsible person needs to make himself / herself known and should also, IMO, resign as a consequence.

Alternatively maybe the entire Dee4Life board can stand in solidarity with the right to anonymity of the individual and resign en masse?

This morning the minutes of the Dee4life AGM held on Saturday 11th November 2023 plus the minutes of the Q and A held immediately after the end of the AGM were emailed to every Dee4life member.
Included in the Q and A section there is an admission by Norrie Price that it was his submission which Nelms took the hump about.
I trust that you will now post on the Dark Blues Forum that it was not Islaydarkblue’s submission which Nelms was furious about but in fact it was Norrie Price’s submission.