Quote Originally Posted by Magpies1959 View Post
Wow Newish Pie, I think you are so wide of the mark with you ideas about people who voted to leave. I have not met one that fills your criteria.
Remainers seem determined to paint Leavers as ignorant racists, which sticks in the craw, and stems from afore mentioned arrogance and patronising attitude.
I guess the other EU countries have nothing to be ashamed about in their histories.
I wonder what you think of countries such as Hungary and Poland which are far more nationalistic than ourselves, and are far more unified as countries than we have been for a good while, due in the main to strict immigration policies.
I struggle to see what is so good about multiculturism, and what is so bad about nationalism. A sense of nationalism, does not make you racist. To me it makes sense that people of different cultures in one country are less likely to be harmonious.
We as Britons have every right to be proud of what we have achieved, even if it is the flavour of the month with elitists/luvvies to try and tear our country apart.
Did you actually read what I wrote? I know it's long and probably tedious and pedantic. As for my ideas about people who voted to leave... perhaps I am wide of the mark. I'm open to alternative explanations, and I'm always open to learning more.

But your ideas about Remainers and about what I think are wide of the mark.


Remainers seem determined to paint Leavers as ignorant racists, which sticks in the craw, and stems from afore mentioned arrogance and patronising attitude.

Nope. Never said that. Certainly true that nearly all racists vote to leave, but not everyone who voted to leave is a racist. I specifically said above that some people's sense of national superiority isn't racial, but cultural. And not everyone who voted leave believes in cultural superiority, either.

I guess the other EU countries have nothing to be ashamed about in their histories.

Er. No. Obviously not. Show me one that has nothing to be ashamed of.

I wonder what you think of countries such as Hungary and Poland which are far more nationalistic than ourselves, and are far more unified as countries than we have been for a good while, due in the main to strict immigration policies.

I'm not a fan of their hard right leaders or their attacks on the rule of law. But to be honest, I'm not an expert on the internal politics of either country. I'm dubious about their apparent levels of unity. And all I'll say is that serious people are worried about the future of democracy in those countries. Whether they're right or not, I can't say. Wouldn't want to live in either of those countries right now.

I struggle to see what is so good about multiculturism, and what is so bad about nationalism. A sense of nationalism, does not make you racist. To me it makes sense that people of different cultures in one country are less likely to be harmonious.

Perhaps - in the spirt of trying to understand what Leavers think - you can explain what you mean by "nationalism" and what you mean by "people of different cultures". Because both can be understood very differently.

Happy to tell you some of the things that are great about multiculturalism once we've got definitions straight. But I'll start with the food.

We as Britons have every right to be proud of what we have achieved, even if it is the flavour of the month with elitists/luvvies to try and tear our country apart.

No-one is trying to tear our country apart. We do have every right to be proud of what we have achieved, provided that we're also ashamed of the mistakes and the crimes we have committed as a country. Can't take the good without the bad. I mean, I get it... I don't like admitting that my country has been the bad guy. I get frustrated by it too sometimes, but there are two options... either face it head on, or bury heads in the sand and pretend none of the bad things ever happened.