QPR Post Match Thoughts

[Pocket rocket]

It's strange how differences of opinion amongst football fans can create such division amongst "friends." Within this thread, postees dismayed with how Taylor's vision is failing have been compared to BBC journalists misrepresenting the bombing of a hospital, and are now having to suffer the tag of being told we're turning into Wendies. Any more insults you'd care to throw for having a difference of opinion?

For what it's worth, I take no pleasure at all in how this season is collapsing around us. There is this strange belief on here that some people actually take enjoyment out of us playing badly because the biggest joy in their life is to have a good whinge. That may or may not be the case for some contributors but it seems everybody who doesn't see roses and rainbows at NYS is tarred with the same negative brush.

I won't even entertain the ludicrous comparison to the BBC journalists, but I will address the Wendies one.

I don't think we have the right to beat any team. I don't think we should just turn up and be awarded three points because we're up against certain outfits. I don't look down on any club and dismiss them with the "we should be beating teams like...." But equally, I don't outright accept that because we're "lil old Rotherham" who are "punching above our weight" that we should just be happy to be allowed to play in the Championship and we should applaud any dross on the pitch because we have the lowest budget in the league. What is the point in getting this far if we're not even going to compete?

The fact is, we all know every season in the Championship is a mountain to climb. So we need to figure out a way to take as many points as we can from teams that are struggling. If a team is low on confidence and playing garbage then it doesn't really matter how much their players are getting paid a week, once the game kicks off their bank balance ain't gonna run on the pitch and play the game for them.

Thats why in the last month we have had three golden chances to stick it to teams who were low on confidence and playing badly. Bristol City, Wednesday and QPR. All three have sacked their managers because they have been so bloody awful but yet we have managed to scrape 1 point from a possible 9 against these outfits. Made worse by the fact that two of those games were at home. I am not arrogant enough to think we should have walked over these teams, but the performances against Bristol City and Wednesday were so tactically inept and awful that I am disappointed that we have squandered two of our very limited chances to collect points this season. QPR was a slight improvement but again saw a replay of that same garbage 4-3-3 start up that leaves Hugill completely isolated and the team with no width whatsoever.

I'm disappointed and upset that the football club I love seem to be falling apart after working so bloody hard to get to where we are. It feels like (conjecture disclaimer) that this is happening purely because the manager is more interested in doing it his way than deploying tactics that have actually worked. Tactics that worked under him, not Warne or anybody else. But because they might have echoed something Warne did in the past it feels like he resents utilising them. When a manager or leader is reluctant to deploy things that work because it goes against their personal ethos, or some bubbling resentment of being compared to the previous manager, then that is when it is time to have a long hard think about why they are even here.

If all this makes me a Wendy in the eyes of some then I can live with that. I'll still be at the NYS every game supporting the team. I'll still invest significant time and money into supporting Rotherham United and I will still live in hope that Matt Taylor can turn this around and I will gladly come on here and start a thread about how wrong I was if he manages to do so.

It was me what said about the wendies not some just me.
Brin saw it for what it was a bit of sarcasm you have got upset by it Derek calling it an insult 🤣🤣 bloody hell I didn’t know there was still grown men so sensitive.
I take it back if that helps bless ya.
My sincere apologies such a terrible thing to say.
Cam ban me if it helps.

[DerekMiller]

It was me what said about the wendies not some just me.
Brin saw it for what it was a bit of sarcasm you have got upset by it Derek calling it an insult ���� bloody hell I didn’t know there was still grown men so sensitive.
I take it back if that helps bless ya.
My sincere apologies such a terrible thing to say.
Cam ban me if it helps.

Oh Pocket you're clearly still upset by the fact I still need to put in conjecture disclaimers to help you along

[gru]

Said this before long posts lose me. Keep it brief & to the point! example:

Yesterday on how we were set up a point won. Can't get my head round Revan when he's got on we've looked better but manager won't start him. On right it's not working with Fred needs changing. We look vulnerable with Morrison at centre back I'm not knocking his effort just his restricted movement.

[Pocket rocket]

Oh Pocket you're clearly still upset by the fact I still need to put in conjecture disclaimers to help you along

👍🏻👍🏻.
I’ll be careful in future pal with my words.
I actually enjoy your reasoned posts rather than just he’s useless bla bla bla. No problem with you disagreeing with me just don’t cry 😢 😃
I know I’m in the minority but I’ll keep saying it as I see it and for me a change at this point is wrong.
I’m looking forward to the humble pie from some millers/ wendies oops sorry 😎

[Derbymiller]

So what is your point, I don't understand the relevance, please explain.

[Pocket rocket]

So what is your point, I don't understand the relevance, please explain.

Which user am I responding to ? Last week you responded to me and joked you were Derbymiller after using his post now your using his username again.
Oh your not a multi are you 🤣🤣🤣

[Derbymiller]

No I am not, last week you referenced me when it was someone else, happy to be blamed for my own posts but not others 😁😁. I respect your view that MT should be kept on, I don't agree but that is football we all have different opinions. I was struggling to see how PW had anything to do with my previous post. 😊

[mellowmiller]

It's strange how differences of opinion amongst football fans can create such division amongst "friends." Within this thread, postees dismayed with how Taylor's vision is failing have been compared to BBC journalists misrepresenting the bombing of a hospital, and are now having to suffer the tag of being told we're turning into Wendies. Any more insults you'd care to throw for having a difference of opinion?

For what it's worth, I take no pleasure at all in how this season is collapsing around us. There is this strange belief on here that some people actually take enjoyment out of us playing badly because the biggest joy in their life is to have a good whinge. That may or may not be the case for some contributors but it seems everybody who doesn't see roses and rainbows at NYS is tarred with the same negative brush.

I won't even entertain the ludicrous comparison to the BBC journalists, but I will address the Wendies one.

I don't think we have the right to beat any team. I don't think we should just turn up and be awarded three points because we're up against certain outfits. I don't look down on any club and dismiss them with the "we should be beating teams like...." But equally, I don't outright accept that because we're "lil old Rotherham" who are "punching above our weight" that we should just be happy to be allowed to play in the Championship and we should applaud any dross on the pitch because we have the lowest budget in the league. What is the point in getting this far if we're not even going to compete?

The fact is, we all know every season in the Championship is a mountain to climb. So we need to figure out a way to take as many points as we can from teams that are struggling. If a team is low on confidence and playing garbage then it doesn't really matter how much their players are getting paid a week, once the game kicks off their bank balance ain't gonna run on the pitch and play the game for them.

Thats why in the last month we have had three golden chances to stick it to teams who were low on confidence and playing badly. Bristol City, Wednesday and QPR. All three have sacked their managers because they have been so bloody awful but yet we have managed to scrape 1 point from a possible 9 against these outfits. Made worse by the fact that two of those games were at home. I am not arrogant enough to think we should have walked over these teams, but the performances against Bristol City and Wednesday were so tactically inept and awful that I am disappointed that we have squandered two of our very limited chances to collect points this season. QPR was a slight improvement but again saw a replay of that same garbage 4-3-3 start up that leaves Hugill completely isolated and the team with no width whatsoever.

I'm disappointed and upset that the football club I love seem to be falling apart after working so bloody hard to get to where we are. It feels like (conjecture disclaimer) that this is happening purely because the manager is more interested in doing it his way than deploying tactics that have actually worked. Tactics that worked under him, not Warne or anybody else. But because they might have echoed something Warne did in the past it feels like he resents utilising them. When a manager or leader is reluctant to deploy things that work because it goes against their personal ethos, or some bubbling resentment of being compared to the previous manager, then that is when it is time to have a long hard think about why they are even here.

If all this makes me a Wendy in the eyes of some then I can live with that. I'll still be at the NYS every game supporting the team. I'll still invest significant time and money into supporting Rotherham United and I will still live in hope that Matt Taylor can turn this around and I will gladly come on here and start a thread about how wrong I was if he manages to do so.

Excellent post.
I want to be wrong about the manager and his tactics too but unfortunately I'm seeing nothing to make me change my mind.
I also accept the point of other posters, ie if not MT then who? I very much doubt there are proven Championship managers out there who will be busting a gut to come to Rotherham given our budget and the calibre of players we can attract.
I'm fairly sure TS won't be happy with another relegation but I also doubt if he knows what to to to avoid it.

[Walt]

What has not been mentioned is how much MT is on his the edge of his technical area barking individual orders. It's helicopter coaching that smacks of 1 of 2 things.

1. The players are not listening to the pre match brief

2. The players are just too crap to carry out what he wants.


We've all seen this kind of management on every sat / sun morning touchline with kids and u18s of struggling teams.

Meanwhile at the acadmies the players just get on with the brief with only the odd interjection.

So which one is it MT is it one or both? Because either of them don't reflect well.

I have to say yesterday was an improvement but... From a very low bar at the Sty.

Clucas wide left just stop it.

I wouldn't bring Eaves on even I had 7 players and a man got injured threatening the game being abandoned for too few players... I'd rather take that than bring him on!

Club is in disarray. Disconnected from it's support, adrift from safety, players don't know what the script is.

I saw back in Feb MT wasn't right for this club and he's just making the situation worse the longer it goes on for. Please TS put us all out of our misery you'll have the backing from the support definitely!

Agree MAM
I think that everyone in the ground was shocked and disappointed when Eaves came on but for me the worst thing was that Viktor (& others) were aiming the long balls at Georgie's head (or on a couple of occasions Nombe's) - did MT think that Georgie and Nombe had suddenly become lumpen target men and Eaves was the man who'd make the runs behind and finish??(At Gillingham, Eaves briefly looked like a top-rate finisher but at Hull the fans called him 'Offside eaves' because of his inability to time his runs)


A further thought about Hugill - part of why he looks bad is the service but part of the reason that the service looks so bad is that Hugill has clearly been told to stand alone and hold the ball up (Gwyther stye) and then wait for the other 2 forwards to join in - unfortunately it seems that the only way he can do that, as I've mentioned before, is to go full Worldwide Wrestling Federation - it doesn't help that Jordan isn't the best channel runner but basically we seem to be playing a style that doesn't particularly suit Hugill, didn't suit Green at all, doesn't suit Appiah or Clucas or Fred and involves Georgie warming the bench until we need a miracle
Last season Georgie was averaging a goal less than every 180 minutes, this season he's played 128 minutes, scored one and set up 2 - oufall behind play Mattball and then hope that Georgie bails us out

taylor is dragging everyone down....

[Walt]

For some reason we seem to have developed a theory that there are teams in this league we should be beating. Everything else taken into account there are no teams we should be beating, however there are teams we need to be beating to survive. If we should beat teams below us then what's the point of the league even carrying on. Leicester and Ipswich should be given promotion now and the rest should pack it in. But they just lost and drew their games so what happened there? We hate it when fans say 'we should be beating teams like Rotherham' so why is it OK for us to say we should be beating teams like SW and QPR. Nobody rolls over in this league and every point we get is a scrap, we know that and today we got one point. Just another 36ish and we'll be safe.

As for PW. I think he was with us so long some fans are still deeply entrenched in their grief over him leaving us. Don't forget he did just that, left us. We didn't sack him. We didn't hound him out. Whatever his tactics were or would have been is immaterial. He's not here any more and that was his choice. People seem to be forgetting that.

Warne left - we have to accept that
We appointed the wrong manager and were lucky enough to get away with that last season but we won't get away with it this or any other season

Warne left - that's sad
MT needs to leave ASAP - also sad, but unrelated