QPR Post Match Thoughts

[Pocket rocket]

Since King Ronnie got us to the second tier back in 2001, we have played 13 seasons in the Championship. We have been relegated 4 times. Three of those were under Paul Warne, although I only think we can attribute two of those to him. His first season he took over from the Stubbs/Jackett fiasco and had never managed a first team game in his life so it was a foregone conclusion. The only other manager to take us down since 2001 was Mick Harford, and that was after taking over from a chaotic goodbye to Ronnie Moore's first reign. Harford tried to change the style we played. He adopted a passing game that was slightly prettier to watch and took us all the way to 24th in the table.

Ronnie, Evans and Warnock all kept us in this league by playing a well drilled, high press, blood and guts style that was never going to get us promoted but ensured we survived. Warne, in my opinion, just fell short. He played the same way, and in those two seasons that it was all his team and tactics, we fell short mainly because he kept a small squad that ran out of steam in the latter half of the season. This was a problem even in Warne's promotion seasons from League one and left us with nailbiting finishes. The reasons for the small squad are still debated to this day, with some saying TS didn't back Warne in January, others (including Warne himself) saying Warne didn't like a big squad and didn't want to sign more players than he felt comfortable with. Either way, for me that was Warne's undoing in the Championship.

So, your analogy about previous managers doesn't really hold up given that we have survived 9 of our last 13 attempts at this league with the same, or less, budget. For Taylor to achieve the vision of progressing us to the next level as a club, survival is a must. It's a basic criteria that we need to achieve as a minimum every season to allow incremental build.

His style of play is not working. He achieved an average of 1 point per game last season, which in fairness would have kept us up had he been there from day one, but only because Reading had points deducted. This season, his points per game tally will see us reach 33 points unless there is a massive turnaround in performances. For that to happen he needs to ditch this 4-3-3 nonsense with only one attacker on the pitch. But he has shown he is not willing to do this in must win games. Based on this, I genuinely can't see how he will turn it around. He's clearly not a motivator and his tactics have left us all baffled and frustrated.

I did read your comments on Taylor on the other thread and saw nothing to convince me that he can turn this around. One thing I did agree with though, is that he's found the Championship to be a shock and much harder than he realised. But I've not seen a single thing in the last year to make me think he's started to adapt

I said all either struggled or just about managed it so my analogy does add up they may have managed it but it was tough.
Your making stuff up now I said with our budget it’s a struggle I didn’t say it’s not possible.
As far the basic requirement he achieved that last season.
You are making yourself sound desperate now. MT did what your claiming is a basic requirement.
He did that last season.
I’m not engaging with you anymore on MT everything you’ve said you are contradicting yourself.
He’s achieved what in your words is what we need to have an incremental build.
I think your dislike for him is clouding your judgement.
That’s it from me I can’t keep going back and forth with someone who claims he can’t achieve what he has already achieved. It’s just stupidity and I can’t get down to that level I’m afraid.

[DerekMiller]

I said all either struggled or just about managed it so my analogy does add up they may have managed it but it was tough.
Your making stuff up now I said with our budget it’s a struggle I didn’t say it’s not possible.
As far the basic requirement he achieved that last season.
You are making yourself sound desperate now. MT did what your claiming is a basic requirement.
He did that last season.
I’m not engaging with you anymore on MT everything you’ve said you are contradicting yourself.
He’s achieved what in your words is what we need to have an incremental build.
I think your dislike for him is clouding your judgement.
That’s it from me I can’t keep going back and forth with someone who claims he can’t achieve what he has already achieved. It’s just stupidity and I can’t get down to that level I’m afraid.

Back to insults I see For the record I'm not offended.
I'll take a leaf out of Brin's book to address your points individually.....

I said all either struggled or just about managed it so my analogy does add up they may have managed it but it was tough.
Your making stuff up now I said with our budget it’s a struggle I didn’t say it’s not possible. - My point was that we have survived more seasons than we have been relegated by playing the high press style that MT is refusing to do. You have said on another post on the alternatives to MT thread that the high press style has seen us relegated more often than not. This is clearly not true
As far the basic requirement he achieved that last season.- Like I said, it was a joint effort, 28% of the points tally came from Warne
You are making yourself sound desperate now. MT did what your claiming is a basic requirement. No I'm not, I already said it was a joint effort
He did that last season. With Warne getting more than a quarter of the points tally for him
I’m not engaging with you anymore on MT everything you’ve said you are contradicting yourself. No I haven't
He’s achieved what in your words is what we need to have an incremental build. He achieved it last season by Warne contributing more than a quarter of the points tally. For an incremental build to happen we have to achieve it for more than one season and this season has relegation written all over it unless he changes his tactics. You still haven't answered or defended the actual tactics on any of your posts
I think your dislike for him is clouding your judgement. Wrong again. I actually quite like him. He comes across as a nice guy who interviews well. I admire his ambition and the fact he wants to progress us from "lil old Rotherham" to an established Championship club. I just wish he'd start doing it
That’s it from me I can’t keep going back and forth with someone who claims he can’t achieve what he has already achieved. It’s just stupidity and I can’t get down to that level I’m afraid. He's achieved nothing. He kept us up last season after inheriting a side that was in form and on the crest of a wave after a bright start and excellent season that came before it. For anyone to claim he's achieved anything he needs to replicate that by building on that, he's taken us backwards this season and needs a monumental shift in performance quality to turn that around. Give me one reason why you think MT can achieve that based on his tactics and how unmotivated the players are? All you've come up with so far is "there's something about him." What exactly? What are you seeing that I'm not? Let me guess, the Coventry game. Yes he did well when he changed his dire tactics, shame he didn't think to start the next game the same way. Or the one after it. But I'll look forward to you not responding because the silence will make more sense than your contributions

[Back of the net]

To say he’s achieved nothing is just silly talk.
Nobody knows what results he would have got from the first games Warne got. Maybe worse maybe better.
You seem intent on just been correct no In-between just correct.
You also sound very much like Derbymiller just an observation.
He’s achieved us staying up that’s not hard to understand because he was the manager.

[DerekMiller]

To say he’s achieved nothing is just silly talk.
Nobody knows what results he would have got from the first games Warne got. Maybe worse maybe better.
You seem intent on just been correct no In-between just correct.
You also sound very much like Derbymiller just an observation.
He’s achieved us staying up that’s not hard to understand because he was the manager.

Absolute horsesh!te

I never claimed to know what results he'd have got if he had the games Warne got. I just pointed out the facts, those being the points he achieved in the games he was manager. I did try to be fair and point out that his ratio of a point per game would have kept us up in an anomaly year where Reading got a points deduction. But if you see that as an achievement then fair play to you, we all have different standards
I also pointed out another fact; that the season Taylor kept us up was a joint effort because in that season we had 3 managers (albeit Peltier was cover for only one game).
It is a FACT (whether you or Pocket like it or not) that in the season Taylor kept us up, more than a quarter of the overall points were gained by Paul Warne in less than a fifth of the games. You can try and argue that if you want, but you can't change it.
Your "observation" about me sounding like Derbymiller means what exactly? Your broken soundbite rants with nothing to back them up sound like Nigel Farage after an evening on the cheap blend whisky, does that mean you must be him? Of course not. But it's "just an observation."

[Derbymiller]

To say he’s achieved nothing is just silly talk.
Nobody knows what results he would have got from the first games Warne got. Maybe worse maybe better.
You seem intent on just been correct no In-between just correct.
You also sound very much like Derbymiller just an observation.
He’s achieved us staying up that’s not hard to understand because he was the manager.

I am not Derekmiller, I have my own opinions thank you very much. I can see both sides of the MT stay or go argument, and there will always be people on both sides of it. When people take their time to explain their views I have a lot more time for them because at least they provide the debate some rationale, it is a lot more constructive than just throwing stones at specific posters. I am currently in the camp that he isn't the right manager for Rotherham United, he did ok last season he was helped by inheriting a squad of players that had a core who had played together for quite a while, he also inherited a good start (14 points - 10 from teams that finished in the bottom half as well). The whole Richard Wood situation was strange and didn't help him, Wood was excellent when recalled and a major factor on us getting over the line, that decision was forced on MT. He has spent more money in the last window than any other manager has spent in a summer, it is hard to see the argument that he spent it well. Christ looks like he could become a good player for us, no idea about Nombe because he won't play him from the start and for a group of games. Spending £1.2m on a player that you think will need time to develop at Rotherham is not a clever decision. The big thing for me, is I don't see an identity in the team, i don't know what type of team we are and I am not sure the players do either, I admit that is subjective. He did manage to keep us up, he has had to deal with a lot of injuries andhe did inherit Tom Eaves so perhaps he deserves longer. I thought before the S6 fiasco that seeing how we get on up to the middle of December (the West Brom) game would hopefully give him time to improve our performances and position, still giving a new man if required a couple of weeks before the window opens. If the club decided on that timeframe then so be it, I hope he proves me and others on here wrong, because my passion is for the club not MT or any other employee.

[clarkey1974]

Thought this thread had a particularly high amount of posts…I can see why now..!..

[millersrus]

Thought this thread had a particularly high amount of posts…I can see why now..!..

I’m struggling to see as we didn’t lose. ��