O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[countygump]

I agree with all that.

I voted for PR in 2011, I think I was the only one.

[applepie2]

I voted for PR in 2011, I think I was the only one.

You didn’t. AV is not proportional.

[Kent Magpie]

I voted for PR in 2011, I think I was the only one.

No..there were at least 2 of us then!

[sidders]

No..there were at least 2 of us then!

The insuperable difficulty with PR is the difficulty of tying an MP to a particular constituency.
If a global vote count results in Tory 34% Labour 30% Lib Dem 17% Greens 9 % and so on - how do you ensure that areas finish up with accountable MPs?

[Kent Magpie]

The insuperable difficulty with PR is the difficulty of tying an MP to a particular constituency.
If a global vote count results in Tory 34% Labour 30% Lib Dem 17% Greens 9 % and so on - how do you ensure that areas finish up with accountable MPs?

There are systems that do give local accountability to an MP. For instance you could have single transferrable vote for constituency MPs and then 'county' MPs based on the support proportions across the county. The set up is a bit Pittesque, but the voting system would be much fairer (either than the current system or Pitt!).

The issue we have with our current system is that a party with only 34% has unfettered power, only restricted by the courts and Lords (for now). A change won't happen anyway, as both main parties stand to lose in a change of voting system.

[the_anticlough]

There are systems that do give local accountability to an MP. For instance you could have single transferrable vote for constituency MPs and then 'county' MPs based on the support proportions across the county. The set up is a bit Pittesque, but the voting system would be much fairer (either than the current system or Pitt!).

Recent parliamentarians have shown that contact to local constituencies doesn't matter, it's kind of an optional extra for them

Tory MP Chris Pincher hardly turned up in Tamworth for a year or more after he was exposed for the ***ual assaults, groping men in the Carlton Club

Nadine Dories never turned up in Bedfordshire. And Matt Hancock could just zip off to the jungle for a few weeks without as much a by-your-leave. So much for any link between MPs and their constituents

If we really wanted to keep constituency MPs, smart algorithms could allocated proportionally-elected MPS far more rationally than what party central offices do now.

It shouldn't be a problem, and certainly not an obstacle to having fair representation for what the nation actually wants (as opposed to accepting a 4th choice to stop a 5th)

[sidders]

Recent parliamentarians have shown that contact to local constituencies doesn't matter, it's kind of an optional extra for them

Tory MP Chris Pincher hardly turned up in Tamworth for a year or more after he was exposed for the ***ual assaults, groping men in the Carlton Club

Nadine Dories never turned up in Bedfordshire. And Matt Hancock could just zip off to the jungle for a few weeks without as much a by-your-leave. So much for any link between MPs and their constituents

If we really wanted to keep constituency MPs, smart algorithms could allocated proportionally-elected MPS far more rationally than what party central offices do now.

It shouldn't be a problem, and certainly not an obstacle to having fair representation for what the nation actually wants (as opposed to accepting a 4th choice to stop a 5th)

The 3 MPs mentioned above have / will get their comeuppance on election day. The only reason my Labour-sympathising friend votes Tory in Mansfield is because his MP is outstanding when it comes to supporting constituents when things go awry. Most of those MPs that ignore the people they serve will eventually be called to account. Best of all is when the MP has local history / knowledge / familial links with the constituency. Most voters will shun algorhythms as angrily as footy fans deplore VAR.

[the_anticlough]

The 3 MPs mentioned above have / will get their comeuppance on election day. The only reason my Labour-sympathising friend votes Tory in Mansfield is because his MP is outstanding when it comes to supporting constituents when things go awry. Most of those MPs that ignore the people they serve will eventually be called to account. Best of all is when the MP has local history / knowledge / familial links with the constituency. Most voters will shun algorhythms as angrily as footy fans deplore VAR.

I don't think they would, I wonder what proportion of folk, including on NCM, have been in touch with a local MP over the last 5 years...

A fat lot of good the present FPTP system has done/is doing. An occasional letter about a planning application or some other gripe shouldn't be an obstacle to having fairer representation.

There would be lots of solutions anyway - it's not an insurmountable problem if you think beyond the current, failed paradigm