LW says people should respect Dan Crowley's faith

[maddogslater]

I don’t know much about “Race based” ideology being pushed at schools; maybe more in the US than the UK? But Transgender stuff based on Queer Theory definitely concerns me. I have looked into this a lot, and I have a lot of sympathy with anyone who has gender dysphoria or struggles with the reality of their body and wishes it was different, but I have not yet seen anything from the transgender movement or activists that is coherent and accepts biological reality. It all seems to be based on *** stereotypes and encourages people, particularly adolescents, to see hormone treatments and double mastectomies etc as the solution to their troubles. It’s also authoritarian and tells us all what we’re not allowed to say or even question. It’s got too much in common with cults for my liking.

As for Dan Crowley, he’s not trying to fill the whole interview with an evangelistic sermon. As long as he continues to keep it short and sweet, I’m fine with him expressing what’s very important to him.

Yes from what I understand it's become rampant in the US pushing this Queer theory nonsense by the far left, very disturbing.

[Old_pie]

I would describe myself as an atheist who hopes he's wrong ( especially on the life after death question) I was actually fairly religious until I was 10 & lost my 14 year old brother to the Trent, I questioned the existence of a glorious being looking over us then & have seen nothing to change my opinion since, however in a way I envy those with true faith because I understand & have seen how it can help some in some very dark times.

That is an awful loss for a young boy to suffer and I can't imagine how you felt.

However it is also the time where religion and faith could have stepped in. Believers in God and Christ will point out that Jesus did nothing but help the poor, heal the sick, preach forgiveness. The only time he got angry was when there was money changing going on in the temple. His reward for such work was to be nailed to a cross and stabbed through the side. Why? To come back from the dead and show there was life on the other side. I guess Crowley, McGoldrick and so on found something you, at an age when if you were good Santa Claus would bring you what you wanted, missed out on.

In the same era I lost a friend though that was in the pond at Trent Junction where we used to go train spotting. He, a year or two older than me, had gone, for some reason, alone, and neither of us were into playing around the pond. We would have to race from one side of the triangle to another depending on which track the train was on. I wasn't told for several month and consequently never got to his funeral. Totally irrelevant to this topic but on one of our trips out we had to climb through a barbed wire fence and I tore a piece of flesh from the inside of my calf; I retain a heart shaped scar to this day that reminds me of my friend any time I notice it.

[Big Bob]

If Dan is close to Jesus he should ask him to play in goal for us because...

Jesus saves

[irishpete]

It seems to me from snippets I've heard or read that christianity has helped them to turn a corner from maybe some personal demons.

Like Irish I wa brought up a Catholic and attended Catholic schools and practised the religion until my late ****s. If these guys want to have something to hang on to then a christian way of life is not a bad one to choose.

However I do feel a twang of discomfort when players sign themselves with a cross, kneel and kiss the grass, or dedicate a goal to their god though I assume it's more to do with thanksgiving for whatever their god has brought them rather than anything else.

I hover between atheist and agnostic. But Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy provided many answers for me

From what I was told by someone he had a problem at Arsenal.
He has also said Notts is the best run club he has been at

[irishpete]

Two things spring to mind:
1. Your kids went to a religious school and you don't like the fact they were treated as if they were religious.
2. My kids going to school at the moment are being pushed all sort of Race based and LGBT idiology. None of that is evidenced based but I think you would be a big supporter of that

I know of a boy who took his first Communion dressed as a girl(My mate was at it) . Also a young girl in NS (junior) who wants to be treated like a Cat, yes a ****ing cat, have a litter tray & meow instead of speaking. Didn't really believe the story until on a job & someone knew the teacher who was in the Girls school
The Worlds gone mad

As for Religion, believe what you want but don't preach to others

[Elite_Pie]

I would describe myself as an atheist who hopes he's wrong ( especially on the life after death question).

That's a good description of where I'm at. I would love to believe that I would see my parents again in an afterlife, but I just can't. I am a fairly logical thinker and don't believe in ghosts, horoscopes and similar. A lot of biblical 'miracles' can be better explained by science now we know a lot more. Was it God or was it storms, earthquakes, tsunamis etc?

If you have a strong faith I'm sure it can do a lot of good, but when that faith becomes extreme it can do a lot of harm.

[Newish Pie]

Also a young girl in NS (junior) who wants to be treated like a Cat, yes a ****ing cat, have a litter tray & meow instead of speaking. Didn't really believe the story until on a job & someone knew the teacher who was in the Girls school
The Worlds gone mad

As for Religion, believe what you want but don't preach to others

The good news for those who are worried by the "identify as a cat" story is that it's been denied by the school and debunked. It was a bunch of kids on a wind-up on tiktok. Certain gullible sections of the media fell for it, hook line and sinker, having failed to do the most basic fact checking. Either that, or they printed a story they knew to be untrue for clicks and to try to whip up a media frenzy.

https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...o-media-frenzy

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ender-identity

[OldBanksy]

Their indoctrination makes me feel uneasy. I imagine they won't be able to tell you who wrote the gospels and when, how the New Testament was put together, and where you can find an original copy.

Mark 6: 4 Jesus said to them, “A prophet is treated with honor everywhere except in his own hometown, among his relatives, and in his own house.”

5."Now He could do no mighty work there, except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6. And He marvelled because of their unbelief."

Matthew 10:34, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to bring peace, but a sword."

Luke 14:26 “If any man come to Me and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yes and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.

Matthew 18: 6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."

Luke 22:36 "if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."

Luke 22:50 "And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear."

Pericope adulterae (woman taken in adultery) was a much later interpolation.

[Old_pie]

Their indoctrination makes me feel uneasy. I imagine they won't be able to tell you who wrote the gospels and when, how the New Testament was put together, and where you can find an original copy.

Mark 6: 4 Jesus said to them, “A prophet is treated with honor everywhere except in his own hometown, among his relatives, and in his own house.”

5."Now He could do no mighty work there, except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6. And He marvelled because of their unbelief."

Matthew 10:34, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to bring peace, but a sword."

Luke 14:26 “If any man come to Me and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yes and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.

Matthew 18: 6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."

Luke 22:36 "if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."

Luke 22:50 "And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear."

Pericope adulterae (woman taken in adultery) was a much later interpolation.

Just throwing about a sentence, without context, is meaningless at best, eg:

When Jesus' followers saw what was going to happen, they said, "Lord, should we strike with our swords?" And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear. But Jesus answered, "No more of this!" And he touched the man's ear and healed him.[2]

At best as I understand it at that time none of the disciples could read or write and stories were passed on by word of mouth until scribes started to write them down around 70 years later. There's no certainty as to who actually said what but then that is how much history came to us.

[BigFatPie]

I'm not so sure about the educational brainwashing thing. This thread of full of people who say they were brought up with religious faith and aren't religious any more. But it's more of an issue if it's school, family, friends, and the wider community. There's a nice line in Kevin Smith's 'Dogma' about not needing much to fill up your cup of faith when you're young, but as you get older it takes more and more to fill it up until it's not enough for you to believe any more.

Absolutely agree about teaching critical thinking skills, though.

Think it's also a bit harder to claim you were serious about religion when your kids have worked out that Santa, the Tooth Fairy etc aren't real.

I’ve not used the word brainwashing, indoctrination is much more apt. And just because there are examples here of people who’ve escaped unscathed, it doesn’t mean there aren’t lots of people who don’t.

I wouldn’t even describe my kids as atheist, the thought that there is a ‘higher being’ wouldn’t even occur to them. God is as ridiculous to them as the yeti or the Loch Ness monster.