O/T:- Ukraine [Incorporating 'Congrats to Russia' thread]

[Jampie]

It seems that Ukraine’s chief negotiator is perpetuating the pile of blatant lies. Maybe he’s a Russian agent?

https://www.irishsun.com/news/274044...2-kievs-top-mp

Source is RT dot com, the guy is russian born and was widely condemned for proposing to re-open the crimea canal after Russia illegally siezed Crimea. Which side is he on do you reckon? I don't know but I would regard what he's saying with some suspicion.

And then there's this quote:

'Agreeing to neutrality and giving up NATO membership would have required changing the constitution of Ukraine, Arakhamia explained. "Secondly, there was no trust in the Russians that they would do this. This could only be done with security guarantees," he told 1+1.'

From the article you linked. That doesn't sound like they were anywhere near close to an agreement. Russia made an 'offer' that nobody trusted.

[andy6025]

Source is RT dot com, the guy is russian born and was widely condemned for proposing to re-open the crimea canal after Russia illegally siezed Crimea. Which side is he on do you reckon? I don't know but I would regard what he's saying with some suspicion.

And then there's this quote:

'Agreeing to neutrality and giving up NATO membership would have required changing the constitution of Ukraine, Arakhamia explained. "Secondly, there was no trust in the Russians that they would do this. This could only be done with security guarantees," he told 1+1.'

From the article you linked. That doesn't sound like they were anywhere near close to an agreement. Russia made an 'offer' that nobody trusted.

Wow, so the Ukrainian government appointed a Russian agent to be their chief negotiator in the peace talks with Russia? That’s a real bombshell! How on earth did that ever get past them?

But wait, there’s more! The guy is not only still part of the Ukrainian government, but he’s even in Zelensky’s own party!

Do you think Zelensky knows about this? I think maybe you should send Zelensky a letter to notify him asap.

…Or do you think maybe Zelensky is in on it too?

[Jampie]

Wow, so the Ukrainian government appointed a Russian agent to be their chief negotiator in the peace talks with Russia? That’s a real bombshell! How on earth did that ever get past them?

But wait, there’s more! The guy is not only still part of the Ukrainian government, but he’s even in Zelensky’s own party!

Do you think Zelensky knows about this? I think maybe you should send Zelensky a letter to notify him asap.

…Or do you think maybe Zelensky is in on it too?

Honestly what is the point of your prevarications and fantasies? I debunked your nonsense and you, naturally, skipped that bit. Do you really think you've converted a single person here to the Russian cause?

[andy6025]

Honestly what is the point of your prevarications and fantasies? I debunked your nonsense and you, naturally, skipped that bit. Do you really think you've converted a single person here to the Russian cause?

You debunked the nonsense that I posted… by quoting it?

[Jampie]

You debunked the nonsense that I posted… by quoting it?

Yes. Apparently you hadn't read the article as it disagreed with your assertion. The talks where nowhere near an agreement because Ukraine can no longer trust Russia. That's in the article you linked.

[andy6025]

Yes. Apparently you hadn't read the article as it disagreed with your assertion. The talks where nowhere near an agreement because Ukraine can no longer trust Russia. That's in the article you linked.

It was also mentioned in the original article I posted… which you said was a blatant lie.

[Jampie]

It was also mentioned in the original article I posted… which you said was a blatant lie.

Yes, it's a lie that Ukraine and Russia were ever 'close' to a peace agreement after this war started. Why not just stop trying to spread this lie?