Dee4Life Update - The Correct Facts

[islaydarkblue]

I've said time and time again that Islay's idea of 'research' is forming an opinion then trawling the net for 'evidence' to back his opinion up whilst completely ignoring any evidence, no matter how compelling, that doesn't fit his agenda. Then when challenged on this he deflects as has been proven on this thread.

He needs to step back, take stock and consider reassessing his approach to John Nelms and Dundee FC generally. However I think his skin's too thick and he's too far down the road of bitterness to do that.

I will never forget the lies JN stated in the letter dated 7th December 2022 about the visit by my wife and myself had to the Club’s offices at the Gardyne Campus until the day I die.
This would never have happened if the club still used their offices at Dens Park as you spoke to the receptionist at the Main Entrance and if you had something such as a framed strip to collect a member of staff brought it out to you. There was no need to go through the ‘hallowed’ glass door which has a security code to the enter the Club’s offices.

[islaydarkblue]

So is it a fact that John Nelms will not speak to Dee4life?

That appears to be the case.

[Deeranged]

I am glad that you have posted the information about what was stated at the Dee4life AGM Q and A.
Do you honestly think that ME would have stated in his opinion that JN was livid with the recent communications by Dee4life and he hated Dee4life if he had not been given this impression by John Nelms.
Every Dee4life member present at the Q and A including the Dee4life directors were shocked at this statement by ME including myself.
I am surprised that you do not know who Matt Edwards is as his photograph was on the front page of the Dundee Football Club website over a month ago.
For the record despite what John Nelms stated in the letter dated 7th December 2022 I did not barge into Gardyne when I was there to pick up the framed unsigned Josh Meekings strip which the Dee4life board of directors had donated to Dee Promotions to raffle but unfortunately no one was interested in it.
In hindsight I should have asked if the Club had closed circuit TV at the entrance to their Gardyne offices which would have shown my wife and I opening the front entrance door at the Club’s Gardyne offices prior to walking to the reception desk.
JN walked past us standing at the reception desk and never asked if we were being attended to which we were. He just ignored us.

Come on now Islay, somebody giving the impression of something is miles away from a stated - it was an opinion, no more and no less, it even says in the minutes 'ME expressed his opinion', but you stated it was an absolute fact. You were wrong.

Why would I know who someone is just because their picture was on the Dundee FC website over a month ago? My wife watches that jungle programme and I see the 'celebrities' faces on TV every night - doesn't mean I know who they all are.

Maybe John Nelms trusted his reception staff to have already dealt with you and assumed you were OK? Did you say 'excuse me John' or try to attract his attention in some other way? I doubt it.

If CCTV had shown you and your wife walking into reception and being ignored b JN that would have proved what exactly?

[islaydarkblue]

Islay just admit you were wrong - you stated John Nelms said he hated Dee4Life and that Dee4Life members were not welcome at Gardyne. I challenged you on that and suggested that rather than an actual statement of hid hatred it was possibly someone's opinion. You then suggested I join Dee4Life (I responded that I'm already a member) and read the AGM minutes to which I responded I didn't have time - well against the odds I found time and guess what? I was right and you're once again proven to be no more than a **** stirrer with an axe to grind.

I've read through the AGM minutes and, although I might have missed it can see no reference to Dee4Life members not being welcome at Gardyne; I suspect that you're probably referring to your one off experience of going there uninvited and demanding a tour.

I did however find reference to a statement that John Nelms hates Dee4Life. However it is clearly, very clearly in fact, stated that it is the opinion of one individual and not actually a direct quote by John Nelms or a factual representation of any statement made by him. See the following direct quote from the AGM minutes...............

'In the formal session, ME had informed members that JN had indicated that he was no longer prepared to accept communications from D4L. ME expressed his opinion that JN was ‘livid’ with recent communications and ‘hated’ D4L. ME himself didn’t like what he read as the threat of legal action per D4L’s recent update and nor did the DSA commitee.'

Note - ME is someone called Matt Edwards and the above reads as his personal thoughts, no more and no less.

So, you were wrong - so very, very wrong. Will you apologise and admit that your own personal dislike of John Nelms, based on nothing more than his refusal to speak to you when you barged into Gardyne expecting an immediate audience, has led you to try to cause others to dislike him as much as you do?

For the record I'm not John Nelms' biggest fan (not by a long chalk) but I would never sink to the low of accusing him of something like this without proof or justification.

I enclose details of an article headed ‘Thanks to the DSA’ from the Dundee Football Club website dated 9th October 2023 which shows the whole of DSA Committee photographed with John Nelms, Greg Fenton and Gordon Strachan. https://dundeefc.co.uk/news/dsa-thanks/
You will read in the article that Matt Edwards is Treasurer of the DSA.
The article further added that after the meeting DSA Chairman Davie Craig and Matt Edwards DSA Treasurer spoke to the Club’s media team.
The meeting was to thank the DSA for their donations to Dundee Football Club but disappointingly the Dee4life board of directors have not received the same invite to the Club’s offices at Gardyne to thank them for their donations this season to the end of September 2023 totalling £3,280 for two advertising hoardings and the match ball sponsorship for the Kilmarnock match.
Dee4life have subsequently handed over £801 for the cost of seat covers for the South Enclosure which have been used to protect the goalmouths on the Dens Park pitch.

[Deeranged]

I enclose details of an article headed ‘Thanks to the DSA’ from the Dundee Football Club website dated 9th October 2023 which shows the whole of DSA Committee photographed with John Nelms, Greg Fenton and Gordon Strachan. https://dundeefc.co.uk/news/dsa-thanks/
You will read in the article that Matt Edwards is Treasurer of the DSA.
The article further added that after the meeting DSA Chairman Davie Craig and Matt Edwards DSA Treasurer spoke to the Club’s media team.
The meeting was to thank the DSA for their donations to Dundee Football Club but disappointingly the Dee4life board of directors have not received the same invite to the Club’s offices at Gardyne to thank them for their donations this season to the end of September 2023 totalling £3,280 for two advertising hoardings and the match ball sponsorship for the Kilmarnock match.
Dee4life have subsequently handed over £801 for the cost of seat covers for the South Enclosure which have been used to protect the goalmouths on the Dens Park pitch.

At least three of the people in that photograph are members of Dee4Life and are named as attendees at the November 2023 AGM - this gives an absolute lie to your assertion that no Dee4Life members are welcome at Gardyne so thanks for the confirmation.

Now all you have to do is admit you told another lie regarding John Nelms saying he hates Dee4Life, I've already posted evidence to prove that lie, and we're all happy.

[islaydarkblue]

Come on now Islay, somebody giving the impression of something is miles away from a stated - it was an opinion, no more and no less, it even says in the minutes 'ME expressed his opinion', but you stated it was an absolute fact. You were wrong.

Why would I know who someone is just because their picture was on the Dundee FC website over a month ago? My wife watches that jungle programme and I see the 'celebrities' faces on TV every night - doesn't mean I know who they all are.

Maybe John Nelms trusted his reception staff to have already dealt with you and assumed you were OK? Did you say 'excuse me John' or try to attract his attention in some other way? I doubt it.

If CCTV had shown you and your wife walking into reception and being ignored b JN that would have proved what exactly?

You will read in my post number 84 that ME is not a ‘run of the mill’ Dundee FC supporter.
We have already discussed John Nelms walking past us without asking if we had been attended to which we already had.
There is no point trying to have a meaningful conversation with you as you will not accept what I post on this board.
Interestingly if you had not resigned as the Dee4life primary representative on the Dundee Football Club Limited board of directors on 1st April 2017 Dee4life would still have their primary representative on the DFC board of directors.
However I would not have put my name forward to become a Dee4life official volunteer in December 2017 if you had still been a Dee4life Director.

[islaydarkblue]

At least three of the people in that photograph are members of Dee4Life and are named as attendees at the November 2023 AGM - this gives an absolute lie to your assertion that no Dee4Life members are welcome at Gardyne so thanks for the confirmation.

Now all you have to do is admit you told another lie regarding John Nelms saying he hates Dee4Life, I've already posted evidence to prove that lie, and we're all happy.

If you had attended the Dee4life AGM Q and A section you would have heard that Dee4life are not welcome in Gardyne.
From memory it was also stated that any future communication from the Dee4life board of directors to John Nelms would have to made via the Dundee Football Club SLO.
I accept that John Nelms did not state that he hates Dee4life because he (John Nelms) did not send an official letter to the Dee4life board of directors stating his concerns about the threat of legal action by the Dee4life board of directors and their meetings with the local MSPs to try to resolve the failure of Dee4life to get their primary representative elected on the Dundee Football Club Limited board of directors and that he (JN) hates Dee4life.
It was the opinion of ME that John Nelms was livid about the threat of legal action and Joh Nelms hates Dee4life.
What are the Dee4life board of directors supposed to do if John Nelms will not have meaningful meetings with them.
The simple solution would be for John Nelms to invite the Dee4life board of directors to a ‘clear the air’ meeting in the Club’s offices at Gardyne where all their differences could be discussed and resolved.
The minutes also stated that the DSA ask questions about ticketing and maintenance while Dee4life ask questions about finance and the stadium.

[Dens Park Dynamo]

You will read in my post number 84 that ME is not a ‘run of the mill’ Dundee FC supporter.
We have already discussed John Nelms walking past us without asking if we had been attended to which we already had.
There is no point trying to have a meaningful conversation with you as you will not accept what I post on this board.

Why should Deeranged accept what you post as a lot of it is clearly wrong. You clearly stated that John Nelms hated Dee 4life and he said dee4life members were not welcome at Gardyne. Deeranged has provided FACTS that this was not the case... but you deflect and ramble on in your replies and you clearly do not address what Deeranged says in responses to your posts.

Just admit it Douglas you were wrong, you know it, i know it, posters on this board know it. Or carry on deflecting and rambling and make yourself look even more obstinate if thats possible.

[islaydarkblue]

Why should Deeranged accept what you post as a lot of it is clearly wrong. You clearly stated that John Nelms hated Dee 4life and he said dee4life members were not welcome at Gardyne. Deeranged has provided FACTS that this was not the case... but you deflect and ramble on in your replies and you clearly do not address what Deeranged says in responses to your posts.

Just admit it Douglas you were wrong, you know it, i know it, posters on this board know it. Or carry on deflecting and rambling and make yourself look even more obstinate if thats possible.

See Post number 88. Deeranged was not present at the Dee4life AGM otherwise he would have heard everything that was discussed.
Meanwhile you are a keyboard warrior who is not even a member of Dee4life.

[Deeranged]

If you had attended the Dee4life AGM Q and A section You would have heard that Dee4life are not welcome in Gardyne.
From memory it was also stated that communication from the Dee4life board of directors to John Nelms would have to made via the Dundee Football Club SLO.
I accept that John Nelms did not state that he hates Dee4life because he (John Nelms) did not send an official letter to the Dee4life board of directors stating his concerns about the threat of legal action by the Dee4life board of directors and their meetings with the local MSPs to try to get the failure of their primary representative on the Dundee Football Club Limited board of directors and that he hates Dee4life.
It was the opinion of ME that John Nelms was livid about the threat of legal action and he hates Dee4life.
What are the Dee4life board of directors supposed to do if John Nelms will not have meaningful meetings with them.
The simple solution would be for John Nelms to invite the Dee4life board of directors to a ‘clear the air’ meeting in the Club’s offices at Gardyne where all their differences could be discussed and resolved.
The minutes also stated that the DSA ask questions about ticketing and maintenance while Dee4life ask questions about finance and the stadium.

But I didn't attend the AGM and only have the minutes, the formal and historic record of the meeting, as a reference point. If the minutes recorded that John Nelms has stated categorically and on the record that he hates Dee4Life I'd have agreed with you from the start - but they don't say that.

I'm glad you've finally admitted to having lied about John Nelms stating that he hated Dee4Life but that it was in fact only the opinion of one individual that he hated Dee4Life, it wasn't painful was it? And I got your admission into one sentence rather than the rambling paragraph you strung it out to - so much simpler.

If I was John Nelms I'd also be reluctant to deal with an organisation that has, either clearly or by implication, made threats of legal action against me. Maybe the Dee4Life board should swallow their pride and go through the channels suggested to lead the drive toward an amicable solution to the stand off and to a future collaborative relationship? Just a suggestion.

Why would anyone wait for someone they've threatened with legal action to make the first move to reconcile? Maybe a written, public apology would be a start?