O/T Covid Vaccine mRNA

[frogmiller]

What is the evidence that this incident had anything to do with vaccination?

This sort of thing demonstrates the issue with the Twitter antvax community. They appear to have become so desperate waiting for the big die off that they now claim any medical episode as being relevant to their claims.

What would be a big die off then. That's something I've not heard being said. Excess mortality?

[ragingpup]

What would be a big die off then. That's something I've not heard being said. Excess mortality?

But the lancet shorter article you linked to seemed to have some very good suggestions as to the number of excess deaths. But you seem to dismiss this purely on one of the contributors. I've not seen any better explanations that site rational thought in trying to dissect an extremely situation of a global pandemic, huge world responses and then seen and unforeseen consequences. We seem to be ignoring rational science based explanations for simplistic conspiracies without evidence that in many cases can't even survive basic fact checking.

[frogmiller]

But the lancet shorter article you linked to seemed to have some very good suggestions as to the number of excess deaths. But you seem to dismiss this purely on one of the contributors. I've not seen any better explanations that site rational thought in trying to dissect an extremely situation of a global pandemic, huge world responses and then seen and unforeseen consequences. We seem to be ignoring rational science based explanations for simplistic conspiracies without evidence that in many cases can't even survive basic fact checking.

I thought that I had said that the Pfizer link in the declaration of interest and that at no point had the vaccine itself not been considered as a course raises red flags.

[ragingpup]

I thought that I had said that the Pfizer link in the declaration of interest and that at no point had the vaccine itself not been considered as a course raises red flags.

You did and it does. But I don't think there is any actual science based evidence that stands scrutiny, that the vaccine is any significant factor in the excess deaths, hence them not considering it. If ytou get past that, then there are very reasonable and complex explnations that the article that you linked us to raises.

[frogmiller]

You did and it does. But I don't think there is any actual science based evidence that stands scrutiny, that the vaccine is any significant factor in the excess deaths, hence them not considering it. If ytou get past that, then there are very reasonable and complex explnations that the article that you linked us to raises.

It's not too early in the use of the mNRA to carry out independent tests like the ones in this link. This, with full diclosure and transparency would put people like me at ease.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/co...s-history.html

[ragingpup]

It's not too early in the use of the mNRA to carry out independent tests like the ones in this link. This, with full diclosure and transparency would put people like me at ease.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/co...s-history.html

Don't studies like this help at all?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...054-8/fulltext

[frogmiller]

Don't studies like this help at all?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...054-8/fulltext

Thanks

That's going to take me some time to go through.

[KerrAvon]

What would be a big die off then. That's something I've not heard being said. Excess mortality?

I assume that you had a big die off in mind. In post 135 you asked:

Is this just a money making scheme or is it much more synister? Have the elites like Bill Gates and the WEF really got into a position where they can reduce the worlds population as they've been openly saying?.

That's pretty standard fare for the sources that you have been looking at (and posting).

We have been through a pandemic of a disease that can damage multiple organs and the response to which disrupted normal health care provision. The only surprise would be if we were not seeing excess mortality.

In the UK, the fact that people who are taken seriously ill may have to wait several hours for an ambulance to attend to take them to understaffed hospitals is also probably playing a part.