Charlie Cresswell Dilemma ?

[Monaco_Totty]

Lot of assumptions in there MT - none of really know Cresswell or his personality beyond the little we glean from interviews and the media.

The comments from Millwall suggest he isn’t needy or requires excessive praise etc. He basically forced his way to being a starter through hard work.

There has been nothing from Cresswell and his dad tweeted a picture of Charlie in a Millwall shirt before the POSH game saying he hoped Charlie got some game time.

That again is part of my issue with what Farke did and the way he did it - people are now speculating that Charlie has some form of attitude problem when I suspect none of us know. Charlie can’t respond to what was said and Farke is unlikely to back down so Farke created the issues and did so by parking it in a one way cul de sac.

If you look at comments Farke has made about other LUFC players he talks about mental attitude sometimes - he did with Bambi around Christmas. If you look up his approach whilst at Norwich he seemed quite willing to throw people under the bus regularly.
If Cresswell now wants to tell Daniel to get the Farke outta here I have some sympathy with him.

Farke is in a position of power and with that comes responsibility

Poveda & Summerville have had LUFC club internal issues but kept their head down without fuss tho Hopey.

Both joined Leeds equipped with tactical, physical & technical prowess but poor mental skills, which are needed to succeed in football at a high level.
Both came from totally different backgrounds than Charlie too.

Poveda issues of injuries, loans & a driving ban conviction due to excess booze - but no shouts from him regarding game time or lack of it under Farke.

He'd grown up in Southwark, London from humble roots then enjoyed a "glamorous" youth career, playing for the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, Barcelona & Man City, before signing for Leeds in Jan 2020 when we were battling to win promotion to PL, then loaned out to less glamour loan stints at Blackburn & Blackpool of late with no fuss & Farke let him play for Columbia in Dec 2023 friendly too, i recall.

As a schoolboy in inner-city London, the people who saw him head to Barcelona & back to Brentford all knew he could play. Poveda departed Brentford in 2016 due to the closure of Brentfords club's academy & behind closed doors the then Brentford’s academy staff called him “The Wizard” & were careful not to use that nickname when he was around or if other players were listening but every time they got chatting about Poveda the conversation between them would always buzz about his talent in an article written by The Athletic i've read.

Young talent requires firm management, imo.

Summerville too had his moments since his Surinamese parents approved him to play football on the street in order to make him avoid the risk of negative behaviours like crime around his homes in the rough Rotterdam provinces Boulevard Zuid & Vuurplaat.

He was suspended for fighting in Feyenoords training ground aged 16 & shipped out on loan twice before Leeds nabbed him after he re-focused mentally under Alan Pardew at Den Haag.
Marsch also reigned him in for flying back to Rotterdam to much to be with his childhood friends party wise - again no fuss from the player when fined behind the scenes.


In truth i expected a better attitude from Charlie as he was bought up in a "football wise" steady family background similar to Gray.
But i'll leave it there & revisit when the situation is clearer.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Poveda & Summerville have had LUFC club internal issues but kept their head down without fuss tho Hopey.

Both joined Leeds equipped with tactical, physical & technical prowess but poor mental skills, which are needed to succeed in football at a high level.
Both came from totally different backgrounds than Charlie too.

Poveda issues of injuries, loans & a driving ban conviction due to excess booze - but no shouts from him regarding game time or lack of it under Farke.

He'd grown up in Southwark, London from humble roots then enjoyed a "glamorous" youth career, playing for the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, Barcelona & Man City, before signing for Leeds in Jan 2020 when we were battling to win promotion to PL, then loaned out to less glamour loan stints at Blackburn & Blackpool of late with no fuss & Farke let him play for Columbia in Dec 2023 friendly too, i recall.

As a schoolboy in inner-city London, the people who saw him head to Barcelona & back to Brentford all knew he could play. Poveda departed Brentford in 2016 due to the closure of Brentfords club's academy & behind closed doors the then Brentford’s academy staff called him “The Wizard” & were careful not to use that nickname when he was around or if other players were listening but every time they got chatting about Poveda the conversation between them would always buzz about his talent in an article written by The Athletic i've read.

Young talent requires firm management, imo.

Summerville too had his moments since his Surinamese parents approved him to play football on the street in order to make him avoid the risk of negative behaviours like crime around his homes in the rough Rotterdam provinces Boulevard Zuid & Vuurplaat.

He was suspended for fighting in Feyenoords training ground aged 16 & shipped out on loan twice before Leeds nabbed him after he re-focused mentally under Alan Pardew at Den Haag.
Marsch also reigned him in for flying back to Rotterdam to much to be with his childhood friends party wise - again no fuss from the player when fined behind the scenes.


In truth i expected a better attitude from Charlie as he was bought up in a "football wise" steady family background similar to Gray.
But i'll leave it there & revisit when the situation is clearer.

Unless you have inside information how do you know what Cresswell has actually done/saidas Farke was light on detail but heavy on crtiticism.

A fair few LUFC pundits have wondered whether in the face of media questioning he didn’t think and free styled a little bit too much.

I have listened to the interview a few times and what Farke seems to be saying is

1. Charlie is not happy with being number 4 - why is that a problem?

2. He sensed that on the coach on match days Cresswell wasn’t happy and thus not mentally ready or focussed - how on earth did he sense that without speaking to him and how does he extrapolate to not in the right mental place?

If those two points are the full extent of cresswell’s issues then my oh my what on earth is going on!

Equally, there may be more to it but there was no need for any of it to be public.

[Sniffer999]

Hopey, here are my educated guesses to maybe answer your points:

1 It is good Charlie is unhappy at being number 4. It's maybe the way he displays is displeasure. Negative body language too often which will stand out clearly when the squad is together.

2 He would sense his displeasure via body language and non verbal communication, along with I suspect occasional verbal communication that is not what is expected.

I don't profess to know this Hopey and I have no facts which make my reply correct. It is easy to support either side and never know if anyone is correct. I just hope there is a positive resolution for LUFC but I wouldn't bet on it unfortunately.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Hopey, here are my educated guesses to maybe answer your points:

1 It is good Charlie is unhappy at being number 4. It's maybe the way he displays is displeasure. Negative body language too often which will stand out clearly when the squad is together.

2 He would sense his displeasure via body language and non verbal communication, along with I suspect occasional verbal communication that is not what is expected.

I don't profess to know this Hopey and I have no facts which make my reply correct. It is easy to support either side and never know if anyone is correct. I just hope there is a positive resolution for LUFC but I wouldn't bet on it unfortunately.

Hehe - me either and understand what you are saying but making the points (some might say labouring them) to show how little there is about what CC has supposedly done and why this didn’t need public airing.

If CC was annoyed at not getting game time or starting and his body language showed it still don’t see the issue personally provided he was putting in the effort in training and not being disruptive. Half of the Liverpool team of the 70s by all accounts hated each other but when they were on the pitch they had a common goal.

[WTF11]

Lot of assumptions in there MT - none of really know Cresswell or his personality beyond the little we glean from interviews and the media.

The comments from Millwall suggest he isn’t needy or requires excessive praise etc. He basically forced his way to being a starter through hard work.

There has been nothing from Cresswell and his dad tweeted a picture of Charlie in a Millwall shirt before the POSH game saying he hoped Charlie got some game time.

That again is part of my issue with what Farke did and the way he did it - people are now speculating that Charlie has some form of attitude problem when I suspect none of us know. Charlie can’t respond to what was said and Farke is unlikely to back down so Farke created the issues and did so by parking it in a one way cul de sac.

If you look at comments Farke has made about other LUFC players he talks about mental attitude sometimes - he did with Bambi around Christmas. If you look up his approach whilst at Norwich he seemed quite willing to throw people under the bus regularly.

That is one style of management from hr Jose M school but I just think he can do better than that and the debate on here kind of shows how ill advised it was not least for a young player trying to break through - it is pretty much the worst criticism you can level.

If Cresswell now wants to tell Daniel to get the Farke outta here I have some sympathy with him.

Farke is in a position of power and with that comes responsibility including for younger players well being.

What he said, again!

[WTF11]

Poveda & Summerville have had LUFC club internal issues but kept their head down without fuss tho Hopey.

Both joined Leeds equipped with tactical, physical & technical prowess but poor mental skills, which are needed to succeed in football at a high level.
Both came from totally different backgrounds than Charlie too.

Poveda issues of injuries, loans & a driving ban conviction due to excess booze - but no shouts from him regarding game time or lack of it under Farke.

He'd grown up in Southwark, London from humble roots then enjoyed a "glamorous" youth career, playing for the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, Barcelona & Man City, before signing for Leeds in Jan 2020 when we were battling to win promotion to PL, then loaned out to less glamour loan stints at Blackburn & Blackpool of late with no fuss & Farke let him play for Columbia in Dec 2023 friendly too, i recall.

As a schoolboy in inner-city London, the people who saw him head to Barcelona & back to Brentford all knew he could play. Poveda departed Brentford in 2016 due to the closure of Brentfords club's academy & behind closed doors the then Brentford’s academy staff called him “The Wizard” & were careful not to use that nickname when he was around or if other players were listening but every time they got chatting about Poveda the conversation between them would always buzz about his talent in an article written by The Athletic i've read.

Young talent requires firm management, imo.

Summerville too had his moments since his Surinamese parents approved him to play football on the street in order to make him avoid the risk of negative behaviours like crime around his homes in the rough Rotterdam provinces Boulevard Zuid & Vuurplaat.

He was suspended for fighting in Feyenoords training ground aged 16 & shipped out on loan twice before Leeds nabbed him after he re-focused mentally under Alan Pardew at Den Haag.
Marsch also reigned him in for flying back to Rotterdam to much to be with his childhood friends party wise - again no fuss from the player when fined behind the scenes.


In truth i expected a better attitude from Charlie as he was bought up in a "football wise" steady family background similar to Gray.
But i'll leave it there & revisit when the situation is clearer.

"In truth i expected a better attitude from Charlie".... Better than what pray tell? Better than forcing his way into a Millwall side not short of defensive talent? Better than generating nothing but praise for a manager who would probably be doing a better job than Farke of managing ALL his player resources, not just those who Der Fuhrer takes a shine to?

Staggering, absolutely staggering. You make it appear that you are "aquiescent" to the stance taken by Der Fuhrer, due to some knowledge that can't be shared, then make pronouncements in that post which make it appear that whatever that knowledge is it is supporting the assertion from Der Fuhrer that Cresswell has some kind of attitude problem, without having the decency to actually "spill the beans".

You get credit from many on here for the in-depth analysis of "situations" affecting LUFC. Your pronouncements on this matter do you no credit at all, quite the opposite.

[Monaco_Totty]

"In truth i expected a better attitude from Charlie".... Better than what pray tell? Better than forcing his way into a Millwall side not short of defensive talent? Better than generating nothing but praise for a manager who would probably be doing a better job than Farke of managing ALL his player resources, not just those who Der Fuhrer takes a shine to?

Staggering, absolutely staggering. You make it appear that you are "aquiescent" to the stance taken by Der Fuhrer, due to some knowledge that can't be shared, then make pronouncements in that post which make it appear that whatever that knowledge is it is supporting the assertion from Der Fuhrer that Cresswell has some kind of attitude problem, without having the decency to actually "spill the beans".

You get credit from many on here for the in-depth analysis of "situations" affecting LUFC. Your pronouncements on this matter do you no credit at all, quite the opposite.

As a fully paid up member of E$$ex Leeds Utd Supporters club (still) with many friends in the other in southern branches of LUFC City of London, Cambridge White Army & Invicta Whites Kent "that picture" certainly caused upset when posted by his Dad.

In a Millwall shirt for starters & for some it suggested he's wanting game time at Millwall too !

But all is ok as his Dad is an Agent & my mates travel to games knowing he's only gonna turn up if he's picked as a starter - really.

As for your comments WTF ?
You simply cannot resist can you.🤗

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

As a fully paid up member of E$$ex Leeds Utd Supporters club (still) with many friends in the other in southern branches of LUFC City of London, Cambridge White Army & Invicta Whites Kent "that picture" certainly caused upset when posted by his Dad.

In a Millwall shirt for starters & for some it suggested he's wanting game time at Millwall too !

But all is ok as his Dad is an Agent & my mates travel to games knowing he's only gonna turn up if he's picked as a starter - really.

As for your comments WTF ?
You simply cannot resist can you.🤗

Where has anyone suggested that CC will only turn up if picked as a starter?

[WTF11]

As a fully paid up member of E$$ex Leeds Utd Supporters club (still) with many friends in the other in southern branches of LUFC City of London, Cambridge White Army & Invicta Whites Kent "that picture" certainly caused upset when posted by his Dad.

In a Millwall shirt for starters & for some it suggested he's wanting game time at Millwall too !

But all is ok as his Dad is an Agent & my mates travel to games knowing he's only gonna turn up if he's picked as a starter - really.

As for your comments WTF ?
You simply cannot resist can you.��

WTF?????

So he wears a Millwall shirt having been a successful Millwall player when sent out on loan by HIS PARENT CLUB, and under what circumstances was the shirt worn (not as a player at Millwall, shurley!).

As for wanting game time, if Millwall come calling, given the glowing reports he received from their management whilst on loan, who could blame him for favouring them (a professional footballing career is relatively short, and for how long must he sit and wait for Der Fuhrer to get of his high horse?)?

As for his dad posting comments (albeit quite measured and not at all out of place from a father interested in his sons career!), so what? The player himself has, unlike the club coach, maintained a dignified silence on the matter, despite his relative youth and supposed "big head" attitude. would that Der Fuhrer had adopted a similarly dignified approach when asked about CC, rather than launching into a totally unwarranted diatribe aimed at one of the younger players UNDER HIS CARE, let's not forget!.

My comments? All measured, albeit direct, all warranted, all opinions honestly held. Your posts on this subject add nothing, indeed all they do is provide obfuscation (perhaps intentionally) for instance when offering Summerville and Poveda as "examples" of similar situations, totally overlooking (again, perhaps intentionally) that neither has been the subject of the kind of outburst which Der Fuhrer aimed at Cresswell. They are not, and never will be, comparable.

And to top it off, you provide this scintillating piece of "information"..."my mates travel to games knowing he's only gonna turn up if he's picked as a starter". Pray tell what source has provided you with that little nugget?

[Monaco_Totty]

Where has anyone suggested that CC will only turn up if picked as a starter?

Err, he rated himself as a starter, Farke did'nt & he err, tries a Willy Gnonto whilst under contract.

We disagree - get over it.
After WTF's comments towards me tonight this boards gonna be one light too unless i get an apology from WTF for his unnecessary "personal-snide" remark aimed at me let alone ones to Oz W within this thread.