Plausible Deniability

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Agree. But how do we learn from this? Being angry isn't going to fix anything. Need suggestions to stop this undemocratic collusion by civil servants and politicians against the electorate.

If they announced another scamdemic tomorrow the cries for a lockdown wud start immediately and be implemented fairly quickly.

Nothing will change because the majority still believe masks, lockdowns and dodgy vaccines defeated COVID.

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If they announced another scamdemic tomorrow the cries for a lockdown wud start immediately and be implemented fairly quickly.

Nothing will change because the majority still believe masks, lockdowns and dodgy vaccines defeated COVID.

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It's the same thing as people continuing to believe Nelmsy is some kind of DFC saviour who's taking us to a new stadium. When nothing happens for three more months and he announces that the planning application will be submitted by the end of August 2024 the same people will get excited and will believe it.

People are mostly gullible morons.

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It's the same thing as people continuing to believe Nelmsy is some kind of DFC saviour who's taking us to a new stadium. When nothing happens for three more months and he announces that the planning application will be submitted by the end of August 2024 the same people will get excited and will believe it.

People are mostly gullible morons.

But if he builds the stadium, people like yourself will say it was 5 years late. Can’t lose DSA

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But if he builds the stadium, people like yourself will say it was 5 years late. Can’t lose DSA

I've already said what I'll do if the stadium is built. I certainly won't be saying anything about five years too late either, I'll celebrate the fact that a milestone was reached. What people like me will then do is start asking the next series of questions such as how does this benefit the club, the support and the community. We'll also be asking what it will cost the club, what happens if things go wrong, who actually owns the stadium etc. because we have the club at heart and not some American run tax write off company that's overseeing that club.

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I've already said what I'll do if the stadium is built. I certainly won't be saying anything about five years too late either, I'll celebrate the fact that a milestone was reached. What people like me will then do is start asking the next series of questions such as how does this benefit the club, the support and the community. We'll also be asking what it will cost the club, what happens if things go wrong, who actually owns the stadium etc. because we have the club at heart and not some American run tax write off company that's overseeing that club.

How does staying at Dens, benefit the club, and support. Community wise, pubs,shops etc around Dens will lose out, but I would imagine folk living near Dens will welcome no hoards of Celtic, Rangers pissing in closies, and generally being a menace.

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How does staying at Dens, benefit the club, and support. Community wise, pubs,shops etc around Dens will lose out, but I would imagine folk living near Dens will welcome no hoards of Celtic, Rangers pissing in closies, and generally being a menace.

Staying at Dens would continue decades of tradition but I've never banged the 'we must stay at Dens' drum. If moving to a new stadium is to benefit the football club I just want to know how, if it doesn't I'd question why the move would be considered.

My view is that in these days of remote training grounds and club offices all a club really needs is somewhere to go to play football matches i.e. a pitch and facilities to house supporters safely. it's not really to the club's benefit to have houses, a crematorium and retail outlets on the same site, the club won't benefit from these things. Upgrading Dens Park, which is fairly centrally located near the city centre with all the facilities needed by the average football fan nearby, would provide this facility.

The proposed new dream stadium would also provide the somewhere to play matches thing but would be more remote, would be less accessible by public transport, would be miles from the city centre and wouldn't provide all the facilities the average football fan needs nearby. In other words it would certainly suit the football side but would be less suitable for us fans. It would also lack the traditional feel of Dens and might well dilute the feel of the club. There's no guarantee of any atmosphere at games - most new stadia, unless huge, are pretty sterile in my experience.

As regards the experiences of those living near Dens. I'm pretty sure Dens and Tannadice will have been there before those people took up residence so they will have moved there with the full knowledge of what might happen in the area on match days. Question is though, how does Dundee FC moving out of Dens stop these things? Tannadice is still there so the OF hoards would still turn up in the area. That problem isn't actually caused by Dundee FC or Dundee United, it's a social issue and a problem contributed to by the failure of authorities to act appropriately.

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Staying at Dens would continue decades of tradition but I've never banged the 'we must stay at Dens' drum. If moving to a new stadium is to benefit the football club I just want to know how, if it doesn't I'd question why the move would be considered.

My view is that in these days of remote training grounds and club offices all a club really needs is somewhere to go to play football matches i.e. a pitch and facilities to house supporters safely. it's not really to the club's benefit to have houses, a crematorium and retail outlets on the same site, the club won't benefit from these things. Upgrading Dens Park, which is fairly centrally located near the city centre with all the facilities needed by the average football fan nearby, would provide this facility.

The proposed new dream stadium would also provide the somewhere to play matches thing but would be more remote, would be less accessible by public transport, would be miles from the city centre and wouldn't provide all the facilities the average football fan needs nearby. In other words it would certainly suit the football side but would be less suitable for us fans. It would also lack the traditional feel of Dens and might well dilute the feel of the club. There's no guarantee of any atmosphere at games - most new stadia, unless huge, are pretty sterile in my experience.

As regards the experiences of those living near Dens. I'm pretty sure Dens and Tannadice will have been there before those people took up residence so they will have moved there with the full knowledge of what might happen in the area on match days. Question is though, how does Dundee FC moving out of Dens stop these things? Tannadice is still there so the OF hoards would still turn up in the area. That problem isn't actually caused by Dundee FC or Dundee United, it's a social issue and a problem contributed to by the failure of authorities to act appropriately.

Don’t agree with most of that.