O/T Covid Vaccine mRNA

[frogmiller]

This is taken from bible bashing anti woke right wing extremists in the US. Why so willing to take their view without question, and even repost it, whilst immediately dismissing evidence from fact checked articles linked to what seems to be a well reasoned report that dismisses Thorpe's 'evidence' as deliberately misleading?

But you're right to encourage vigilance against any media source. So, how to best fact check fact checking based articles on fact checking sites?

1. Seperate the two arguments presented by the fact checker
2. Cross check the contrasting arguments yourself with other research from both sides of the argument
3. Use your own (admittedly biased but all you've got) reasoning to judge whether the fact checking article's judgement is based on robust evidence.

In my experience, Factcheck and fullfact seem to be very robust and hardly ever seem to be caught pants down on their conclusions.

We can all find something on line to prove our point but!

The Bill and Melinda Foundation have donated to the Factchecker you highlighted.

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has just made an estimate of $200 billion of profit from the vaccine manufacture.
This foundations was kicked out of India for killing kids with experimental vaccines!
Bill Gates is on record as saying that he wants depopulation! He's on record as telling us that the pandemic was coming years before it did and was hell bent on getting us all that vaccination could be used as a way of depopulation.

Bill Gates is the biggest donater to the WHO so has a vested interest in what they say and which way they go with pandemics. The new Global Pandemic Treaty that will take away soverienty from every country that signs it is put together by the WHO. WHO is unelected and will be in charge of shut downs, travel limits and vaccinations with the central Bank identity card being an integral link to it all. This vaccination passport trial happened during the pandemic!
The digital Wallet that is being introduced will bring more control upon everyone.

All of the information is written down in the Treaty which was not binding when the first draught was brought out but the new one has all the none binding parts with a line through it! This gets ratified by governments this year!

There are 4.2 billion people elegible to vote around the world this year alone! Nothing about this treaty is being mentioned!

[ragingpup]

We can all find something on line to prove our point but!

The Bill and Melinda Foundation have donated to the Factchecker you highlighted.

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has just made an estimate of $200 billion of profit from the vaccine manufacture.
This foundations was kicked out of India for killing kids with experimental vaccines!
Bill Gates is on record as saying that he wants depopulation! He's on record as telling us that the pandemic was coming years before it did and was hell bent on getting us all that vaccination could be used as a way of depopulation.

Bill Gates is the biggest donater to the WHO so has a vested interest in what they say and which way they go with pandemics. The new Global Pandemic Treaty that will take away soverienty from every country that signs it is put together by the WHO. WHO is unelected and will be in charge of shut downs, travel limits and vaccinations with the central Bank identity card being an integral link to it all. This vaccination passport trial happened during the pandemic!
The digital Wallet that is being introduced will bring more control upon everyone.

All of the information is written down in the Treaty which was not binding when the first draught was brought out but the new one has all the none binding parts with a line through it! This gets ratified by governments this year!

There are 4.2 billion people elegible to vote around the world this year alone! Nothing about this treaty is being mentioned!

Bill gates may or may not be a force for good. Or Bad. Likewise the WHO or CBDC. I'm not particularly interested in that here though.
What im interested in is the confident statement of facts about things that are just not true or offer a complete distortion of facts/context that are there to be seen when read with a critical eye. Such as your statements:


This foundations was kicked out of India for killing kids with experimental vaccines!

This is just not true! https://fullfact.org/online/gates-polio-vaccine/


Bill Gates is on record as saying that he wants depopulation! He's on record as telling us that the pandemic was coming years before it did and was hell bent on getting us all that vaccination could be used as a way of depopulation.

Now with full context: https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ccines-reduce/


The new Global Pandemic Treaty that will take away soverienty from every country that signs it is put together by the WHO. WHO is unelected and will be in charge of shut downs, travel limits and vaccinations with the central Bank identity card being an integral link to it all. This vaccination passport trial happened during the pandemic!

Numerous claims on this debunked: https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-con...aty/a-65982226


The digital Wallet that is being introduced will bring more control upon everyone.

Obvious dangers in this change but a more balanced discussion of the potential advantages as wellas trade offs here: https://www.fairobserver.com/busines...indispensable/

[frogmiller]

Bill gates may or may not be a force for good. Or Bad. Likewise the WHO or CBDC. I'm not particularly interested in that here though.
What im interested in is the confident statement of facts about things that are just not true or offer a complete distortion of facts/context that are there to be seen when read with a critical eye. Such as your statements:


This foundations was kicked out of India for killing kids with experimental vaccines!

This is just not true! https://fullfact.org/online/gates-polio-vaccine/


Bill Gates is on record as saying that he wants depopulation! He's on record as telling us that the pandemic was coming years before it did and was hell bent on getting us all that vaccination could be used as a way of depopulation.

Now with full context: https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ccines-reduce/


The new Global Pandemic Treaty that will take away soverienty from every country that signs it is put together by the WHO. WHO is unelected and will be in charge of shut downs, travel limits and vaccinations with the central Bank identity card being an integral link to it all. This vaccination passport trial happened during the pandemic!

Numerous claims on this debunked: https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-con...aty/a-65982226


The digital Wallet that is being introduced will bring more control upon everyone.

Obvious dangers in this change but a more balanced discussion of the potential advantages as wellas trade offs here: https://www.fairobserver.com/busines...indispensable/

You've gone around a lot of fact finders there Ragingpup.

Did you put your curiousity in a box with your denial of any wrong doing by others?

The pandemic and the use of a vaccine was predicted back in 2009 and those that predicted it just joined up the dots of information given out as public record. Those people are still vilified, imprisoned or accused of all sorts of rubbish to discredit them. It turns out that some of the conspiricy theorists were actually truth tellers!

The thread about the Post Office showed a cover up.
The thread about the farmers shows blantent news blackout.

The missiles of mass distruction was a lie

Yet somehhow if it said it on a fact finder would you accept it?

[ragingpup]

You've gone around a lot of fact finders there Ragingpup.

Did you put your curiousity in a box with your denial of any wrong doing by others?

The pandemic and the use of a vaccine was predicted back in 2009 and those that predicted it just joined up the dots of information given out as public record. Those people are still vilified, imprisoned or accused of all sorts of rubbish to discredit them. It turns out that some of the conspiricy theorists were actually truth tellers!

The thread about the Post Office showed a cover up.
The thread about the farmers shows blantent news blackout.

The missiles of mass distruction was a lie

Yet somehhow if it said it on a fact finder would you accept it?

I'm curious about a lot of things in the big old world and have been known to get quite involved with them as ever though, I tend to not just look at fact checkers but also the people who are making the arguments for and against issues, and check their backgrounds and vested interests just as you rightly do with Gates and the like. I then weigh up if there is significant validity in those claims and authority from the people making them, and then make a call whether it is wise to invest further time.

I've only clicked ona few links you've posted, but it seems in each one there is not only a falling foul of what for me (I respect that you don't agree) are quite respectable and varied fact checkers and counter evidence that seems more reliable than the arguments your people are presenting. Eventually, after a few of them, I tend to quite quickly disregard the further arguments. Most of them seem to fall foul of simple logic anyway - a pandemic predicted back in 2009? A pandemic has been predicted all the way through our existence on account that they happen regularly, and increased regularity as we grow in population. There will be another one. There will currently be good scientists who are working with good intention to collaborate and anticipate/reduce the impact of such pandemics on the population, on all levels. There will also be some bad scientists who will try and make capital out of this unavoidable situation. It's just simple common sense.

And yes powerful people and the media can collaborate to do horrific things - who knew?! That they will cover up to save their own asses when the mask slips? No ****?! But that doesn't lead me to believe things when a simple exporation of the information from all perspectives, which can include FC as a useful tool, tells me otherwise.

[frogmiller]

I'm curious about a lot of things in the big old world and have been known to get quite involved with them as ever though, I tend to not just look at fact checkers but also the people who are making the arguments for and against issues, and check their backgrounds and vested interests just as you rightly do with Gates and the like. I then weigh up if there is significant validity in those claims and authority from the people making them, and then make a call whether it is wise to invest further time.

I've only clicked ona few links you've posted, but it seems in each one there is not only a falling foul of what for me (I respect that you don't agree) are quite respectable and varied fact checkers and counter evidence that seems more reliable than the arguments your people are presenting. Eventually, after a few of them, I tend to quite quickly disregard the further arguments. Most of them seem to fall foul of simple logic anyway - a pandemic predicted back in 2009? A pandemic has been predicted all the way through our existence on account that they happen regularly, and increased regularity as we grow in population. There will be another one. There will currently be good scientists who are working with good intention to collaborate and anticipate/reduce the impact of such pandemics on the population, on all levels. There will also be some bad scientists who will try and make capital out of this unavoidable situation. It's just simple common sense.

And yes powerful people and the media can collaborate to do horrific things - who knew?! That they will cover up to save their own asses when the mask slips? No ****?! But that doesn't lead me to believe things when a simple exporation of the information from all perspectives, which can include FC as a useful tool, tells me otherwise.

Fair enough