Election Year or Fear!

[Andy_Faber]

Which in turn has to be balanced against the high level of ‘terrorism’ currently directed at the fleeing citizens of Gaza.
I’m sure you and I would find plenty of common ground, AF and I don’t support the type of ‘terrorism’ you describe in any way.
Having said that…the catalyst for all this was undoubtedly the Oct. 7th attack on Israel. Who knew what before that happened remains, imo, a matter for further debate, but certainly the long established attitude of the Israelis towards Palestinians/Gazans is a major cause…and saying that isn’t anti Semitic.

Focussing just on the U.K. aspect, Saying is fine, peaceful protesting is fine, death threats and intimidation is not, whoever’s doing it

[ramAnag]

Focussing just on the U.K. aspect, Saying is fine, peaceful protesting is fine, death threats and intimidation is not, whoever’s doing it

I agree…but Sith is right, ‘laws’ yes, but what does British ‘way of life’ actually mean? Like it or not we have become a much more diverse/multicultural society and our ‘way of life’ has changed…in some ways for the better, in others perhaps for the worse.

For as long as I can remember on here Tricky has been banging an anti Labour and anti Muslim drum and it is no coincidence that his reappearance coincides with a time of such turmoil. I’m no apologist for the ‘grooming gangs’ that TTR regularly alludes to and I probably have more first hand professional knowledge of such matters than most on here, but, in my experience, various home grown/white ‘communities’ are just as guilty (Catholic Church anyone?)…the manifestation is just different.

Doubtless it suits those on the Right, who have produced such chaos over the last six or more years, to now start ranting about anti Semitism and reintroduce the demonisation of Muslims…they have, after all, nothing else left to fight an election with.

P.S. Agreeing entirely with the points made by MA immediately above and, please note, they are - entirely - on topic and not remotely personal.

[Trickytreesreds]

I agree…but Sith is right, ‘laws’ yes, but what does British ‘way of life’ actually mean? Like it or not we have become a much more diverse/multicultural society and our ‘way of life’ has changed…in some ways for the better, in others perhaps for the worse.

For as long as I can remember on here Tricky has been banging an anti Labour and anti Muslim drum and it is no coincidence that his reappearance coincides with a time of such turmoil. I’m no apologist for the ‘grooming gangs’ that TTR regularly alludes to and I probably have more first hand professional knowledge of such matters than most on here, but, in my experience, various home grown/white ‘communities’ are just as guilty (Catholic Church anyone?)…the manifestation is just different.

Doubtless it suits those on the Right, who have produced such chaos over the last six or more years, to now start ranting about anti Semitism and reintroduce the demonisation of Muslims…they have, after all, nothing else left to fight an election with.

P.S. Agreeing entirely with the points made by MA immediately above and, please note, they are - entirely - on topic and not remotely personal.

My re appearance RA, as yu call it, coincides with my return after 6 months in Thailand.
You should go. A lovely country of 99% Buddhists living in total harmony and tolerance.
Farangs are very welcome and respected, as long as you respect them.
When I go there, I make sure I blend in and do nothing to try change that. They have laws in place to stop Farangs, from exploiting and gaining an advantage over the native population.
Whilst there, I can not explain to you the calm and steady pace of life you experiance.
Then I come back here and .................................... well , the chaos has gone up many notches.

You call it the demonisation of Muslims. Yet Muslims are the ones causing all the current eruptions. Not Christians/Hindus/Sikhs/Buddhists/ Johvo's/ Hari Krishnas etc.
As an ex teacher, you should be horrified as to how Islam is demanding schools change to accomodate them, rather than the majority
Death threats/ assaults/insults/ harrassment and I'm picking on them?

BTW, Islamophobia is a term invented by Iran , in order to shush folks criticising their babaric ways in the name Islam
Now its the buzz word to shut you down verytime anyone tries to criticise anything they do. So much so, that it works and scares the councils and police to death

In essence , every athiest, is Islamophobic

[ramAnag]

My re appearance RA, as yu call it, coincides with my return after 6 months in Thailand.
You should go. A lovely country of 99% Buddhists living in total harmony and tolerance.
Farangs are very welcome and respected, as long as you respect them.
When I go there, I make sure I blend in and do nothing to try change that. They have laws in place to stop Farangs, from exploiting and gaining an advantage over the native population.
Whilst there, I can not explain to you the calm and steady pace of life you experiance.
Then I come back here and .................................... well , the chaos has gone up many notches.

You call it the demonisation of Muslims. Yet Muslims are the ones causing all the current eruptions. Not Christians/Hindus/Sikhs/Buddhists/ Johvo's/ Hari Krishnas etc.
As an ex teacher, you should be horrified as to how Islam is demanding schools change to accomodate them, rather than the majority
Death threats/ assaults/insults/ harrassment and I'm picking on them?

BTW, Islamophobia is a term invented by Iran , in order to shush folks criticising their babaric ways in the name Islam
Now its the buzz word to shut you down verytime anyone tries to criticise anything they do. So much so, that it works and scares the councils and police to death

In essence , every athiest, is Islamophobic

I do wish people would stop bringing up this ‘ex teacher’ nonsense and I have no first hand knowledge at all of schools having to accommodate Muslims any more than any other religion, indeed the only ‘religious’ demand I recall is Jehovah’s Witnesses insisting that their children didn’t take part in any assemblies or Christmas activities.

Not sure why you’re concerned about the term ‘Islamophobic’ or where it originated. Everyone knows what it means…a form of prejudice specifically aimed against Muslims. I’m certainly not frightened of it any more than I am of being accused of being anti Semitic as a result of questioning Jewish/Zionist attitudes towards Palestinians

[ramAnag]

My re appearance RA, as yu call it, coincides with my return after 6 months in Thailand.
You should go. A lovely country of 99% Buddhists living in total harmony and tolerance.
Farangs are very welcome and respected, as long as you respect them.
When I go there, I make sure I blend in and do nothing to try change that. They have laws in place to stop Farangs, from exploiting and gaining an advantage over the native population.
Whilst there, I can not explain to you the calm and steady pace of life you experiance.

I’m glad you had a good time Tricky and enjoyed the ‘total harmony and tolerance’ of this ‘lovely country’.
It’s a little ironic however, you praising the Thai laws that prevent foreigners ‘exploiting and gaining an advantage over the native population’…it is, after all, a country that generates a great deal of wealth via se x tourism which is hardly renowned for not exploiting the native population.

[swaledale]

I’m glad you had a good time Tricky and enjoyed the ‘total harmony and tolerance’ of this ‘lovely country’.
It’s a little ironic however, you praising the Thai laws that prevent foreigners ‘exploiting and gaining an advantage over the native population’…it is, after all, a country that generates a great deal of wealth via se x tourism which is hardly renowned for not exploiting the native population.

Jeez, when you hold up a country that goes from one crisis to another, generally interrupted by Military Coups, followed by technically democratic governments, but always a front for the military as a shining example of how a country should be, then any credibility one might have had is completely shot!!

Thailand’s Pheu Thai, the populist party linked to the deposed former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, is back in power for the first time since being ejected from office in a military coup in 2014 — ironically, in coalition with the proxy parties of the military junta that installed the last prime minister, Prayut Chan-ocha.

Thailand’s democratic processes have been subverted by not only a deeply illiberal constitution but also by a set of opaque machinations’ that unfolded in the wake of the May general election, at which Pheu Thai was unexpectedly pushed into 2nd place by a surge of votes for the reformist party Move Forward.


Still I guess one doesn't worry about the impact of on the general populace of poverty, false imprisonment, corruption, a crack down on individual rights, poor health care, low pay, drug and *** trafficking, etc. as long is it doesn't impinge on ones ability to lay around on a beach drinking and eating cheaply, without a thought as to who is being exploited to make ones stay pleasant!!

[ramAnag]

Jeez, when you hold up a country that goes from one crisis to another, generally interrupted by Military Coups, followed by technically democratic governments, but always a front for the military as a shining example of how a country should be, then any credibility one might have had is completely shot!!

Thailand’s Pheu Thai, the populist party linked to the deposed former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, is back in power for the first time since being ejected from office in a military coup in 2014 — ironically, in coalition with the proxy parties of the military junta that installed the last prime minister, Prayut Chan-ocha.

Thailand’s democratic processes have been subverted by not only a deeply illiberal constitution but also by a set of opaque machinations’ that unfolded in the wake of the May general election, at which Pheu Thai was unexpectedly pushed into 2nd place by a surge of votes for the reformist party Move Forward.


Still I guess one doesn't worry about the impact of on the general populace of poverty, false imprisonment, corruption, a crack down on individual rights, poor health care, low pay, drug and *** trafficking, etc. as long is it doesn't impinge on ones ability to lay around on a beach drinking and eating cheaply, without a thought as to who is being exploited to make ones stay pleasant!!

Why quote me? I’m just pointing out that a country that owes much of it’s wealth and ‘attraction’ to the s@x trade and consequent exploitation of young women isn’t necessarily somewhere to be held up as an example of having laws that protect ‘natives’ from foreigners. You seem to have more knowledge of the situation in Thailand than most, but I’m agreeing with you, so stop shouting.

[Trickytreesreds]

Why quote me? I’m just pointing out that a country that owes much of it’s wealth and ‘attraction’ to the s@x trade and consequent exploitation of young women isn’t necessarily somewhere to be held up as an example of having laws that protect ‘natives’ from foreigners. You seem to have more knowledge of the situation in Thailand than most, but I’m agreeing with you, so stop shouting.

Thailands tourism economy, generates 10% of GDP.. Are you saying that every visitor to Thailand goes for the *** trade? Or did you pluck that out your arse?

Maybe Holland includes its *** trade in their GDP tourism figures as well? That applies to many countries around the world as well.

[swaledale]

Why quote me? I’m just pointing out that a country that owes much of it’s wealth and ‘attraction’ to the s@x trade and consequent exploitation of young women isn’t necessarily somewhere to be held up as an example of having laws that protect ‘natives’ from foreigners. You seem to have more knowledge of the situation in Thailand than most, but I’m agreeing with you, so stop shouting.

It wasn't aimed at you apologies, it was our resident world affairs "expert", must have quoted the wrong person. Don't disagree with what you posted.

[Andy_Faber]

I agree…but Sith is right, ‘laws’ yes, but what does British ‘way of life’ actually mean? Like it or not we have become a much more diverse/multicultural society and our ‘way of life’ has changed…in some ways for the better, in others perhaps for the worse.

I think TTR is pushing more about the ‘will change’ than the ‘has changed’ rA, and despite coming from a multicultural household I do see that diversity/multiculturalism has become a bit of a means to itself - a long long way from everyone asked for either