Quote Originally Posted by MadAmster View Post
IMO...

There was always going to be a reaction, a very strong one, from the Israelis to the October 7th atrocities.

That reaction has gone OTT.

October 7th or something similar was on the cards due to Israeli (Zionist) actions since 1948. Not satisfied with the land given to them, there has been a constant further taking of Palestinian land. The burning of their olive groves. The killing of Palestinians by Israeli "settlers". The October 7th action by Hamas went too far.

Had Israel not kept stealing land, killing people then Hamas probably wouldn't exist.

Throw the several wars between the Arab world and Israel into the mix and your potato is as hot as it can get.

Solution? Is there one?

Release the hostages has to be step 1 or Ramadan in Gaza is going to be a bloodbath.

A 2 state solution has to happen sooner or later or there will be even more carnage.

Will the Arab world ever accept the presence of Israel? IMO, no, not even in a 2 state situation.

As someone else wrote, Netanyahu pushes his agenda to win elections to ensure he can't be tried for corruption.

Can someone explain how being pro Palestinian, a semite people, is being anti semitic? Most Israelis are descendants of displaced Eastern Europeans.

Again, IMO, there can't be a solution until Israel stops stealing yet more land. I'd go as far as to add they should also give up the land they've "appropriated" from Palestinians since 1948. I would have the Golan heights as an exception as, strategically, it's a wonderful platform to attack Israel from. Make that neutral maybe?

I'm just glad I'm not the one having to sort this whole mess out as whatever you do, you'll have someone against you who is likely to want to kill you...
very good post Maddy
Ultimately, there is no answer, untill all sides push aside their differences and want one.#
1.The Palestinians have rejected a 2 state solution many times. The river to the sea chant, means they want the Jews gone.
2. The surrounding countries, seriously wanted Israel gone, but it has steadied into an uneasy peace at the moment.
3.Iran is the **** stirrer here and will never let it lie.
4. Israel, has obviously decided to land grab, and remove as much trouble from as many areas as possible.
5. HAMAS is the tip of the iceberg really. Before them you had the PLO and PFLP. They are hardcore Islamic fanatics, who hate Jews. They are not going away. There is no interest in any diplomatic solution There is a reason that other Arab states, do not welcome Palestinians into their lands. They a riddled with these fanatics. They turned the lovely Lebanon into the total farce it is.

This really is my point now, of what we are seeing here in the UK.
This really isn't just about a cease fire. It is a pause in the killing they want, whilst the struggle and hate of jews goes on
That hate, is being lashed out in British society in many ways, in order to get their own way.
Us being so tolerant and accomodating have skirted around dealing with it and resorted to appeasement.
It's getting serious now and needs to stop,
Islam does not rule the UK and its laws and rights should and must not accomodate any of it's madness.