Election Year or Fear!

[Andy_Faber]

WTF are you on about? Diversity is one issue, it has links to multi culturalism but that's one strand of many. So its neither and/or as your implying, which suggests you don't fully understand what diversity means.

What do you mean a long way from (what) everyone asked for? The reality is hardly anyone asks for change, people would rather stick with what they know, which in a way is wise, but also means that they aren't used to people or culture that is different and hence tend to be suspicious of this. But on the other hand means that if we took too much notice of these people, the human race wouldn't have progressed very far over the centuries. Free thinkers, inventors and prophets have generally been scorned and attacked by the ignorant.

Given that for the vast majority of people multi culturalism hardly if at all impinges on their day to day lives, other than in the rabid **** stirring outpourings falsehoods pushed out by both mainstream and social media, what are you getting at?

I've lived in all sorts of situations, both urban with a high ethnic population, rural with mostly natives and currently quite rural with a high level of EU migration, in absolutely none of those situations has multi culturalism had a negative impact on my life or indeed anybody I know. The vast majority of problems and certainly any threats to my well being have been from the white natives.

But then I don't label one race, faith or creed of people as being more dangerous or problematic I understand that all humans of whatever race, faith or creed are capable of kindness, generosity, compassion, cruelty, violence, selfishness and that those commentators seeking to whip up division and suspicion amongst people and those likely to feed on such sentiment do so for their own devious ends, whether its making money as per the Clarkson's, Liddle's, Morgan, Hartley-Brewers et al or the politicians such as Farage, Trump, or Orban who use it to gain power and keep feeding it for support.

You won’t restore your credibility here with constant ranting, perhaps responding to my request yesterday would be a baby step.

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You won’t restore your credibility here with constant ranting, perhaps responding to my request yesterday would be a baby step.

As if I crave the approval of fools and closet racists! I do admire the way you tread this very fine line, the typical racist with a "black friend or relative" so he/she can't be racist when your as bigoted as Thicky, but rather more subtle with it.

[Andy_Faber]

As if I crave the approval of fools and closet racists! I do admire the way you tread this very fine line, the typical racist with a "black friend or relative" so he/she can't be racist when your as bigoted as Thicky, but rather more subtle with it.

I’m sure you don’t, but your recent tirade of insults won’t have inclined anyone to take your various scattergun rants especially seriously. Especially as you don’t provide evidence or clarification to your claims - see my request on 22nd

As for the ‘typical racist’ referring to ‘black friends or relatives’, I don’t see any such an assertion anywhere on this thread or elsewhere recently, I think you need to take your own prejudice blinkers off occasionally before approaching your keyboard

[Trickytreesreds]

As if I crave the approval of fools and closet racists! I do admire the way you tread this very fine line, the typical racist with a "black friend or relative" so he/she can't be racist when your as bigoted as Thicky, but rather more subtle with it.

I'm bigotted eh and a racist ?

Proof?

I think you need to filter your insults with more finesse
Best you can pin on me, is probably Islamophobe. HANDS UP THAT'S ME.

How anyone can respect and accept a religion that deliberately targets gays/trans/apostates/women/critics of Islam. That is preapred to use violence and intimidation in the efforts to assert dominance defended by planks like you.
Apologists were rife in the 1930's

[ramAnag]

Apologists were rife in the 1930's

You don’t see even the slightest parallel between anti Semitism in 1930’s Germany and Islamophobia in the UK approaching a century later then?

[Andy_Faber]

You don’t see even the slightest parallel between anti Semitism in 1930’s Germany and Islamophobia in the UK approaching a century later then?

Not a good comparison, and that's part of the problem.

[Trickytreesreds]

You don’t see even the slightest parallel between anti Semitism in 1930’s Germany and Islamophobia in the UK approaching a century later then?

Yes i do, its you who doesn't.
Anti semitic attitudes in 1930's Germany, was targetting JEWS the people, for being Jewish. The hatred of the religion was based around econimic stereotyping. It was conducted into actual genicide as well other forms of abuse. So by your analogy, there is one side mirroring Germany for supression of opinion and speech, infiltrating education and politics. As well as conducting actual acts of terror in support of its actions. And you expect me to embrace that?

Islamophobia is the critiicising of a a religion, not the whorshipper.
In fact it is the followers of Islam, who are the ones dishing out abuse.

This is the West, no religion is beyong criticism;
Are you saying you are not Islamophobic then? Do you condone the Islamic treatment, of gays/Trans/ women/ apostates/ critics and the suppression of free speech.

That's a yes or no answer.


Now in the west, you are free to practice what ever religion you like. It does not give you the right to impose it on anyone else, or to make threats and violence on those who do not share you views.

[MadAmster]

Now in the west, you are free to practice what ever religion you like. It does not give you the right to impose it on anyone else, or to make threats and violence on those who do not share you views.

Try telling that to the bible thumping right wing Christian Evangelists in America who've already got abortion banned in a fair few states.

These are the same zealots who say they are pro life yet support making guns available to everybody, even those who, in European eyes, shouldn't have one. Those with mental issues, those who have been convicted of gun crimes etc. Each and every shooting, mass shooting or not, gives the lie to their pro life ramblings.

[Trickytreesreds]

Try telling that to the bible thumping right wing Christian Evangelists in America who've already got abortion banned in a fair few states.

These are the same zealots who say they are pro life yet support making guns available to everybody, even those who, in European eyes, shouldn't have one. Those with mental issues, those who have been convicted of gun crimes etc. Each and every shooting, mass shooting or not, gives the lie to their pro life ramblings.

Maddy, you seem to be evading the onvious as well.
Islam is a way of living. In full Islamic countries, it rules politics/law/liberties.
That is why it comes into conflict with the west. The west values freedom and freedom of speech and liberties.
But that brings them into direct conflict with the teachings of the Qu'ran.
Now figures quote anywhere between 10 to 25 % of Muslims are hard core radical. Who would gladly do harm to the examples I gave.
Now in the UK, that may be only 1% . But that would make 40 000 Muslims in the UK serious problems. It is no coincidence MI5 has a watch list of many radicals and mosques. You don't see that with Hundu's or Sikhs, or Johvo's

So is Islamophobia a fear of that religion? It is, and one earned by experiance of what it is capable of.

Seperate the religion though from the people. Being Islamophobic is not racist, though countrues like Iran try to make it so,to cover up their actions and nastiness.

The term “Islamophobia” probably existed before these bureaucrats of the empire used it. Still, this language remained rare until the late 1980s, when the word was transformed little by little into a political tool, under the pressure of British Muslims reacting to the fatwa that the Ayatollah Khomeini had pronounced against novelist Salman Rushdie, following his publication of The Satanic Verses. With its fluid meaning, the word “Islamophobia” amalgamates two very different concepts: the persecution of believers, which is a crime; and the critique of religion, which is a right. A newcomer in the semantic field of antiracism, this term has the ambition of making Islam untouchable by placing it on the same level as anti-Semitism.

[ramAnag]

Yes i do, its you who doesn't.
Anti semitic attitudes in 1930's Germany, was targetting JEWS the people, for being Jewish. The hatred of the religion was based around econimic stereotyping. It was conducted into actual genicide as well other forms of abuse. So by your analogy, there is one side mirroring Germany for supression of opinion and speech, infiltrating education and politics. As well as conducting actual acts of terror in support of its actions. And you expect me to embrace that?

Islamophobia is the critiicising of a a religion, not the whorshipper.
In fact it is the followers of Islam, who are the ones dishing out abuse.

This is the West, no religion is beyong criticism;
Are you saying you are not Islamophobic then? Do you condone the Islamic treatment, of gays/Trans/ women/ apostates/ critics and the suppression of free speech.

That's a yes or no answer.


Now in the west, you are free to practice what ever religion you like. It does not give you the right to impose it on anyone else, or to make threats and violence on those who do not share you views.

All ‘phobias’ are, as I understand…by definition, ‘irrational fears’, hence Islamophobia is an irrational fear of those who follow Islam…i.e. Muslims.

Am I Islamophobic? No…because I don’t have a fear - irrational or otherwise - of Muslims. Neither do I agree with the Muslim faith…or the Catholic Faith…or the Jewish faith.

I do, unfortunately, see parallels between Germany of the 1930’s and parts of Europe, including the UK, today but I also very much agree with the comments made by MA and GP earlier. Personally I want nothing to do with any religious faith, but I respect the rights of others to follow their beliefs providing they don’t wish to impose them on others. That is something which some militant Muslims may well be guilty of but they are not alone there.