Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

You won’t restore your credibility here with constant ranting, perhaps responding to my request yesterday would be a baby step.

As if I crave the approval of fools and closet racists! I do admire the way you tread this very fine line, the typical racist with a "black friend or relative" so he/she can't be racist when your as bigoted as Thicky, but rather more subtle with it.

[Andy_Faber]

As if I crave the approval of fools and closet racists! I do admire the way you tread this very fine line, the typical racist with a "black friend or relative" so he/she can't be racist when your as bigoted as Thicky, but rather more subtle with it.

I’m sure you don’t, but your recent tirade of insults won’t have inclined anyone to take your various scattergun rants especially seriously. Especially as you don’t provide evidence or clarification to your claims - see my request on 22nd

As for the ‘typical racist’ referring to ‘black friends or relatives’, I don’t see any such an assertion anywhere on this thread or elsewhere recently, I think you need to take your own prejudice blinkers off occasionally before approaching your keyboard

[Trickytreesreds]

As if I crave the approval of fools and closet racists! I do admire the way you tread this very fine line, the typical racist with a "black friend or relative" so he/she can't be racist when your as bigoted as Thicky, but rather more subtle with it.

I'm bigotted eh and a racist ?

Proof?

I think you need to filter your insults with more finesse
Best you can pin on me, is probably Islamophobe. HANDS UP THAT'S ME.

How anyone can respect and accept a religion that deliberately targets gays/trans/apostates/women/critics of Islam. That is preapred to use violence and intimidation in the efforts to assert dominance defended by planks like you.
Apologists were rife in the 1930's

[ramAnag]

Apologists were rife in the 1930's

You don’t see even the slightest parallel between anti Semitism in 1930’s Germany and Islamophobia in the UK approaching a century later then?

[Andy_Faber]

You don’t see even the slightest parallel between anti Semitism in 1930’s Germany and Islamophobia in the UK approaching a century later then?

Not a good comparison, and that's part of the problem.

[Trickytreesreds]

You don’t see even the slightest parallel between anti Semitism in 1930’s Germany and Islamophobia in the UK approaching a century later then?

Yes i do, its you who doesn't.
Anti semitic attitudes in 1930's Germany, was targetting JEWS the people, for being Jewish. The hatred of the religion was based around econimic stereotyping. It was conducted into actual genicide as well other forms of abuse. So by your analogy, there is one side mirroring Germany for supression of opinion and speech, infiltrating education and politics. As well as conducting actual acts of terror in support of its actions. And you expect me to embrace that?

Islamophobia is the critiicising of a a religion, not the whorshipper.
In fact it is the followers of Islam, who are the ones dishing out abuse.

This is the West, no religion is beyong criticism;
Are you saying you are not Islamophobic then? Do you condone the Islamic treatment, of gays/Trans/ women/ apostates/ critics and the suppression of free speech.

That's a yes or no answer.


Now in the west, you are free to practice what ever religion you like. It does not give you the right to impose it on anyone else, or to make threats and violence on those who do not share you views.

[MadAmster]

Now in the west, you are free to practice what ever religion you like. It does not give you the right to impose it on anyone else, or to make threats and violence on those who do not share you views.

Try telling that to the bible thumping right wing Christian Evangelists in America who've already got abortion banned in a fair few states.

These are the same zealots who say they are pro life yet support making guns available to everybody, even those who, in European eyes, shouldn't have one. Those with mental issues, those who have been convicted of gun crimes etc. Each and every shooting, mass shooting or not, gives the lie to their pro life ramblings.

[Trickytreesreds]

Try telling that to the bible thumping right wing Christian Evangelists in America who've already got abortion banned in a fair few states.

These are the same zealots who say they are pro life yet support making guns available to everybody, even those who, in European eyes, shouldn't have one. Those with mental issues, those who have been convicted of gun crimes etc. Each and every shooting, mass shooting or not, gives the lie to their pro life ramblings.

Maddy, you seem to be evading the onvious as well.
Islam is a way of living. In full Islamic countries, it rules politics/law/liberties.
That is why it comes into conflict with the west. The west values freedom and freedom of speech and liberties.
But that brings them into direct conflict with the teachings of the Qu'ran.
Now figures quote anywhere between 10 to 25 % of Muslims are hard core radical. Who would gladly do harm to the examples I gave.
Now in the UK, that may be only 1% . But that would make 40 000 Muslims in the UK serious problems. It is no coincidence MI5 has a watch list of many radicals and mosques. You don't see that with Hundu's or Sikhs, or Johvo's

So is Islamophobia a fear of that religion? It is, and one earned by experiance of what it is capable of.

Seperate the religion though from the people. Being Islamophobic is not racist, though countrues like Iran try to make it so,to cover up their actions and nastiness.

The term “Islamophobia” probably existed before these bureaucrats of the empire used it. Still, this language remained rare until the late 1980s, when the word was transformed little by little into a political tool, under the pressure of British Muslims reacting to the fatwa that the Ayatollah Khomeini had pronounced against novelist Salman Rushdie, following his publication of The Satanic Verses. With its fluid meaning, the word “Islamophobia” amalgamates two very different concepts: the persecution of believers, which is a crime; and the critique of religion, which is a right. A newcomer in the semantic field of antiracism, this term has the ambition of making Islam untouchable by placing it on the same level as anti-Semitism.

[ramAnag]

Yes i do, its you who doesn't.
Anti semitic attitudes in 1930's Germany, was targetting JEWS the people, for being Jewish. The hatred of the religion was based around econimic stereotyping. It was conducted into actual genicide as well other forms of abuse. So by your analogy, there is one side mirroring Germany for supression of opinion and speech, infiltrating education and politics. As well as conducting actual acts of terror in support of its actions. And you expect me to embrace that?

Islamophobia is the critiicising of a a religion, not the whorshipper.
In fact it is the followers of Islam, who are the ones dishing out abuse.

This is the West, no religion is beyong criticism;
Are you saying you are not Islamophobic then? Do you condone the Islamic treatment, of gays/Trans/ women/ apostates/ critics and the suppression of free speech.

That's a yes or no answer.


Now in the west, you are free to practice what ever religion you like. It does not give you the right to impose it on anyone else, or to make threats and violence on those who do not share you views.

All ‘phobias’ are, as I understand…by definition, ‘irrational fears’, hence Islamophobia is an irrational fear of those who follow Islam…i.e. Muslims.

Am I Islamophobic? No…because I don’t have a fear - irrational or otherwise - of Muslims. Neither do I agree with the Muslim faith…or the Catholic Faith…or the Jewish faith.

I do, unfortunately, see parallels between Germany of the 1930’s and parts of Europe, including the UK, today but I also very much agree with the comments made by MA and GP earlier. Personally I want nothing to do with any religious faith, but I respect the rights of others to follow their beliefs providing they don’t wish to impose them on others. That is something which some militant Muslims may well be guilty of but they are not alone there.

[Trickytreesreds]

All ‘phobias’ are, as I understand…by definition, ‘irrational fears’, hence Islamophobia is an irrational fear of those who follow Islam…i.e. Muslims.

Am I Islamophobic? No…because I don’t have a fear - irrational or otherwise - of Muslims. Neither do I agree with the Muslim faith…or the Catholic Faith…or the Jewish faith.

I do, unfortunately, see parallels between Germany of the 1930’s and parts of Europe, including the UK, today but I also very much agree with the comments made by MA and GP earlier. Personally I want nothing to do with any religious faith, but I respect the rights of others to follow their beliefs providing they don’t wish to impose them on others. That is something which some militant Muslims may well be guilty of but they are not alone there.

yes, mainly true. But your definition includes irrational. (not based on reason)
Bombings/ stabbings/ murders/ threats/ intimidation/ attempts to influence politics is not irrational. They are very real and the tempo is rising.

Like I said, how bad must it be to be a Jew in this country at the moment? Jews out outnumbered 15:1 comapared to Islam followers. Anti semitic attacks in London risen by 1350% . Parallels with Germany? You have it right there.
Perhaps you are unaware, it was revealed in 2021, that 1 in 50 Muslim males in the UK, had come to the attention of the UK anti terror watchers? That's pretty damned scary, not an irrational phobia

The defence screams "Islamophobic" , when these facts are challenged.
All used in the same way as racist/ Nazi/ xenophobe/ bigot/ little Englander/ gammon are used, in attempts to shut you up, mainly by the left.

Personally I want nothing to do with any religious faith, but I respect the rights of others to follow their beliefs providing they don’t wish to impose them on others. That is something which some militant Muslims may well be guilty of but they are not alone there.


So, you don't agree with what's happening, schools being abused and its teachers/ politicians being harrassed, hounded and threatened/ Jews being intimidated and targetted/ mass rallies showing pure hate- all in the name of Islam? iT'S A START AT LEAST.

It's time it was made very plain, that this sort of behaviour is not tolerated and will be dealt with fully by the law. It isn't and folks are sick to death of watching hate demos out side schools and in capitals, Whilst the police stand there and do nothing, as an ISIS flag goes by waved by a masked man.

NB, France has just changed its laws, that foreign nationals sighting anti French hate and threats are deported inside 24 hours. Now that's not flapping with the ECHR.