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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal2 View Post
    Success and failure are both collective. Nobody should be immune from constructive criticism when things aren't going well, but getting the pitchforks out and looking for one person to blame doesn't help either.
    So far it seems we want the manager and coaches out, recruitment head out and now the chief exec. Not long now until some will want the Bros out.
    Blowing everything up is just destructive. I suspect what we really need is Matty Palmer, an upgrade on Nemane as a wing back and two or at least one dominant centre half who can organise the defence and a big competent keeper.
    Maynard is chopping and changing after we are leaking goals. I've written before how many games we've been behind within 15 minutes, it took 5 last night and against Crewe. We've got no chance of being successful like that, it's like playing with a handicap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by optipez View Post
    So far it seems we want the manager and coaches out, recruitment head out and now the chief exec. Not long now until some will want the Bros out.

    Blowing everything up is just destructive. I suspect what we really need is Matty Palmer, an upgrade on Nemane as a wing back and two or at least one dominant centre half who can organise the defence and a big competent keeper.
    Maynard is chopping and changing after we are leaking goals. I've written before how many games we've been behind within 15 minutes, it took 5 last night and against Crewe. We've got no chance of being successful like that, it's like playing with a handicap.
    Funnily enough I actually heard some old fart shout "Sack the board" at the Reedtz brothers when we let the third goal in against Crewe, although I remember his long, thin miserable face from a few years ago when he was a contributor to the toxic atmosphere then as well. The kind of brainless so-called 'fan' who could best serve the club by p*ssing off and never coming back.

    As you say, tough times right now and there needs to be collective responsibility for the bad times just as there was for the good times, but blowing up everything would indeed be destructive and possibly fatal. We're on a bad run of results and confidence is low - it happens in football - and while the fans' frustration is understandable it shouldn't be allowed to turn into something hostile against a regime that saved the club and delivered us back into the Football League. The whole club needs to use the current experience as a learning opportunity with a view to becoming better and stronger next season. No success was ever achieved without going through adversity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by optipez View Post
    So far it seems we want the manager and coaches out, recruitment head out and now the chief exec. Not long now until some will want the Bros out.
    Blowing everything up is just destructive. I suspect what we really need is Matty Palmer, an upgrade on Nemane as a wing back and two or at least one dominant centre half who can organise the defence and a big competent keeper.
    Maynard is chopping and changing after we are leaking goals. I've written before how many games we've been behind within 15 minutes, it took 5 last night and against Crewe. We've got no chance of being successful like that, it's like playing with a handicap.
    I think that this points out to the fact that there is a cumulation of things, not just one. Personally, I don't think any drastic personnel changes are needed, but some lessons taking on board and implementing and some support for SM as he tries to get to grips with things. If it is true that JoB is a more qualified coach, then I can see this being an issue unless they bring him more into the coaching team.

    One thing I find interesting is that in football the first reaction is to sack the manager, but in reality there are multiple reasons for things going wrong and as a result replacing the manager doesn't ultimately solve the issue, and at best papers over the cracks. We saw that with Trew and Hardy, where they were the root cause of the issues. I think that our owners have moved beyond that and will look to see where all the issues are before deciding what needs to be done (including replacing the manager), which I think is the right approach.

    I don't think the CEO needs to go, but I do think the culture has changed (not necessarily for the worse, just changed) and this will cause disruption and realignment. There has been a lot of upheaval off the field in the last 12 months, so is to be expected, but while things were going reasonably well it was hidden. Now things are going wrong elsewhere and so this changing culture will exacerbate things, which is what I think we are seeing in terms of cohesion on and off the field.

    It wouldn't surprise me to see significant changes over the summer and going into 2025. I don't think our owners will change everything all at once, but one or two things at a time and see what the effects are and I suspect SM isn't the first thing in the firing line (at this point in time).

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