Worst Notts County manager ever

[Dinno_Pie]

Firstly, I’ve got to say looking at that list, have I really witnessed so much dross in my 50+ years watching Notts ! But I must say a lot of those managers were when Notts were at higher levels, so had much tougher challenges with the gulf in Notts budgets compared to the competition increasing with each higher division. The likes of Jimmy Sirrel and Neil Warnock actually managed Notts in the top tier (apologies to any of you out there under 40 who can only dream of that).

So I think for that list to be of true comparison and in context maybe it should only include performance at tiers 3&4 when Notts budgets were far closer to their opposition. Apart from our fake Munto season which should really disqualify Cotterill as top performer. And let’s not forget LW record was in the 5th tier when Notts had a higher budget than most and were playing a number of semi-pro teams. His average was 1.61 in Lg2.

As for SM, depends on whether he gets a chance to improve his position in the list. Can’t have been easy for him stepping up into the fickle fully professional football world and inheriting a squad who were showing signs of running out of steam under LW. I’m sure he’s doing his best and could do with his more senior experienced players stepping up rather than moping. I’m hoping for him, our owners and us all that he turns it round.

[upthemaggies]

So I think for that list to be of true comparison and in context maybe it should only include performance at tiers 3&4 when Notts budgets were far closer to their opposition.

Definitely the fairest way to do it is by individual each division, I did the whole lot just to show how bad Maynard currently is regardless.
Broken down into tiers 1-5 (again no caretakers, play off games are factored in but not cups)

Tier 1
1.24 Howard Wilkinson
1.22 Albert Fisher
1.22 Committee
1.12 Jimmy Sirrel (2)
0.98 Larry Lloyd
0.95 Neil Warnock

Tier 2
2.00 Jimmy Sirrel (4)
1.80 Committee
1.54 Albert Fisher
1.53 Frank Broome
1.46 Ron Fenton
1.43 Neil Warnock
1.40 Mick Walker
1.40 Jimmy Sirrel (2)
1.36 Jimmy Sirrel
1.24 Eric Houghton
1.24 Horace Henshall
1.23 George Poyser
1.14 Howard Kendall
1.13 Committee (2)
1.00 Tommy Lawton
0.83 Richie Barker
0.72 Russell Slade
0.55 Larry Lloyd
0.41 Charlie Jones

Tier 3
1.98 Jimmy McMullan
1.98 Horace Henshall
1.98 Eric Houghton
1.87 Neil Warnock
1.82 Jimmy Sirrel
1.69 Keith Curle
1.60 Jimmy Sirrel (4)
1.53 John Barnwell
1.47 Jocky Scott
1.46 Arthur Stollery
1.45 Tim Coleman (2)
1.43 Colin Murphy
1.38 Percy Smith
1.36 Wilf Fisher
1.30 Martin Allen
1.27 Harry Parkes
1.26 Frank Hill
1.25 Gary Brazil
1.23 Craig Short
1.21 Shaun Derry
1.12 Billy Dearden
1.12 Sam Allardyce
1.08 Paul Ince
1.00 Gary Mills
0.97 Chris Kiwomya
0.83 Ricardo Moniz
0.78 Eddie Lowe
0.57 Gary Brazil (2)

Tier 4
2.50 Steve Cotterill
2.15 Sam Allardyce
2.01 Jimmy Sirrel
2.00 David Kevan (2)
1.87 Frank Hill
1.62 Luke Williams
1.56 Kevin Nolan
1.42 Tim Coleman (3)
1.42 Andy Beattie
1.33 Jack Wheeler
1.30 Ricardo Moniz
1.29 Hans Backe
1.28 Steve Thompson
1.26 Jack Burkitt
1.24 Eddie Lowe
1.18 Harry Kewell
1.17 Ian Richardson
1.13 Gudjon Thordarson
1.13 Ian McParland
1.10 Billy Gray
1.10 Mark Cooper
1.06 Gary Mills
0.96 Neal Ardley
0.92 John Sheridan
0.83 Jamie Fullarton
0.50 Stuart Maynard

Tier 5
2.33 Luke Williams
1.77 Ian Burchnall
1.70 Neal Ardley

[Lullapie]

Definitely the fairest way to do it is by individual each division, I did the whole lot just to show how bad Maynard currently is regardless.
Broken down into tiers 1-5 (again no caretakers, play off games are factored in but not cups)

Tier 1
1.24 Howard Wilkinson
1.22 Albert Fisher
1.22 Committee
1.12 Jimmy Sirrel (2)
0.98 Larry Lloyd
0.95 Neil Warnock

Tier 2
2.00 Jimmy Sirrel (4)
1.80 Committee
1.54 Albert Fisher
1.53 Frank Broome
1.46 Ron Fenton
1.43 Neil Warnock
1.40 Mick Walker
1.40 Jimmy Sirrel (2)
1.36 Jimmy Sirrel
1.24 Eric Houghton
1.24 Horace Henshall
1.23 George Poyser
1.14 Howard Kendall
1.13 Committee (2)
1.00 Tommy Lawton
0.83 Richie Barker
0.72 Russell Slade
0.55 Larry Lloyd
0.41 Charlie Jones

Tier 3
1.98 Jimmy McMullan
1.98 Horace Henshall
1.98 Eric Houghton
1.87 Neil Warnock
1.82 Jimmy Sirrel
1.69 Keith Curle
1.60 Jimmy Sirrel (4)
1.53 John Barnwell
1.47 Jocky Scott
1.46 Arthur Stollery
1.45 Tim Coleman (2)
1.43 Colin Murphy
1.38 Percy Smith
1.36 Wilf Fisher
1.30 Martin Allen
1.27 Harry Parkes
1.26 Frank Hill
1.25 Gary Brazil
1.23 Craig Short
1.21 Shaun Derry
1.12 Billy Dearden
1.12 Sam Allardyce
1.08 Paul Ince
1.00 Gary Mills
0.97 Chris Kiwomya
0.83 Ricardo Moniz
0.78 Eddie Lowe
0.57 Gary Brazil (2)

Tier 4
2.50 Steve Cotterill
2.15 Sam Allardyce
2.01 Jimmy Sirrel
2.00 David Kevan (2)
1.87 Frank Hill
1.62 Luke Williams
1.56 Kevin Nolan
1.42 Tim Coleman (3)
1.42 Andy Beattie
1.33 Jack Wheeler
1.30 Ricardo Moniz
1.29 Hans Backe
1.28 Steve Thompson
1.26 Jack Burkitt
1.24 Eddie Lowe
1.18 Harry Kewell
1.17 Ian Richardson
1.13 Gudjon Thordarson
1.13 Ian McParland
1.10 Billy Gray
1.10 Mark Cooper
1.06 Gary Mills
0.96 Neal Ardley
0.92 John Sheridan
0.83 Jamie Fullarton
0.50 Stuart Maynard

Tier 5
2.33 Luke Williams
1.77 Ian Burchnall
1.70 Neal Ardley

I didn't realise Wilf Fisher was only 'mid-table'.

[hissingdwarf]

Definitely the fairest way to do it is by individual each division, I did the whole lot just to show how bad Maynard currently is regardless.
Broken down into tiers 1-5 (again no caretakers, play off games are factored in but not cups)

Tier 1
1.24 Howard Wilkinson
1.22 Albert Fisher
1.22 Committee
1.12 Jimmy Sirrel (2)
0.98 Larry Lloyd
0.95 Neil Warnock

Tier 2
2.00 Jimmy Sirrel (4)
1.80 Committee
1.54 Albert Fisher
1.53 Frank Broome
1.46 Ron Fenton
1.43 Neil Warnock
1.40 Mick Walker
1.40 Jimmy Sirrel (2)
1.36 Jimmy Sirrel
1.24 Eric Houghton
1.24 Horace Henshall
1.23 George Poyser
1.14 Howard Kendall
1.13 Committee (2)
1.00 Tommy Lawton
0.83 Richie Barker
0.72 Russell Slade
0.55 Larry Lloyd
0.41 Charlie Jones

Tier 3
1.98 Jimmy McMullan
1.98 Horace Henshall
1.98 Eric Houghton
1.87 Neil Warnock
1.82 Jimmy Sirrel
1.69 Keith Curle
1.60 Jimmy Sirrel (4)
1.53 John Barnwell
1.47 Jocky Scott
1.46 Arthur Stollery
1.45 Tim Coleman (2)
1.43 Colin Murphy
1.38 Percy Smith
1.36 Wilf Fisher
1.30 Martin Allen
1.27 Harry Parkes
1.26 Frank Hill
1.25 Gary Brazil
1.23 Craig Short
1.21 Shaun Derry
1.12 Billy Dearden
1.12 Sam Allardyce
1.08 Paul Ince
1.00 Gary Mills
0.97 Chris Kiwomya
0.83 Ricardo Moniz
0.78 Eddie Lowe
0.57 Gary Brazil (2)

Tier 4
2.50 Steve Cotterill
2.15 Sam Allardyce
2.01 Jimmy Sirrel
2.00 David Kevan (2)
1.87 Frank Hill
1.62 Luke Williams
1.56 Kevin Nolan
1.42 Tim Coleman (3)
1.42 Andy Beattie
1.33 Jack Wheeler
1.30 Ricardo Moniz
1.29 Hans Backe
1.28 Steve Thompson
1.26 Jack Burkitt
1.24 Eddie Lowe
1.18 Harry Kewell
1.17 Ian Richardson
1.13 Gudjon Thordarson
1.13 Ian McParland
1.10 Billy Gray
1.10 Mark Cooper
1.06 Gary Mills
0.96 Neal Ardley
0.92 John Sheridan
0.83 Jamie Fullarton
0.50 Stuart Maynard

Tier 5
2.33 Luke Williams
1.77 Ian Burchnall
1.70 Neal Ardley

As someone mentioned earlier, threads like this do no good for the soul as it is a reminder that over my 45 years of supporting, I've witnessed some real rubbish managers at the Lane!

Always surprises me how high someone like Keith Curle is on lists like this. My resounding memory from his period was...we were bloody boring...so surprised to see how well we actually did on reflection.

[upthemaggies]

As someone mentioned earlier, threads like this do no good for the soul as it is a reminder that over my 45 years of supporting, I've witnessed some real rubbish managers at the Lane!

Always surprises me how high someone like Keith Curle is on lists like this. My resounding memory from his period was...we were bloody boring...so surprised to see how well we actually did on reflection.

Curle's HOME PPG ratio for the 2nd season he was in charge (his last 14 games at Meadow Lane) dropped down to 1.29, which is the same as Derry's overall home PPG.

Away, Curle's overall PPG was 1.82, which is the 3rd best of all time behind Cotterill and Kevan(2nd spell). Russell Slade incidentally is the worst ever manager on the road with an appalling 0.13 PPG and 88% away loss rate.

Fullarton was the worst ever at home on 0.20 after completing just 5 Meadow Lane fixtures, though Maynard currently has an identical home record (W0 D1 L4) but with -7 GD as opposed to Fullarton's -8.