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    Quote Originally Posted by the_anticlough View Post
    My thinking was always that Baldwin and Cameron would be the junior partners at the back, that we'd recruit another senior CB and GK because they were the two biggest areas of need in the close season.

    My post now is not about Cameron, who started the season badly, then stabilised, started to play OK, but has been badly exposed and deficient in recent weeks under SM.
    He's captain and first name on the teamsheet and your appraisal of him (as someone who has always spoken highly of him) is that his performances have ranged from bad to OK. After 40 games.

    He should be nowhere near the captaincy as he doesn't set a good example, and shouldn't be more than a squad player.

    I don't see how he can have been 'exposed' by a manager who has tried to make us less open and protect the defence more.

    He's not good enough for League 2 and to be honest I would question how good he is in the NL if you put him in a 'normal' team i.e., one that isn’t full of players way better than the level, meaning he has to do very little defending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drillerpie View Post
    He's captain and first name on the teamsheet and your appraisal of him (as someone who has always spoken highly of him) is that his performances have ranged from bad to OK. After 40 games.

    He should be nowhere near the captaincy as he doesn't set a good example, and shouldn't be more than a squad player.

    I don't see how he can have been 'exposed' by a manager who has tried to make us less open and protect the defence more..
    Hardly anyone's looking good when it's 8pts out of 36, 5 consecutive home defeats, and a freefall down the table.

    I think we have to distinguish between someone who has actually achieved something for this club and someone who hasn't at all (apart from negative records).

    Cameron has given 3 years solid service.
    Played what....around 110 games?
    Captained the club to promotion
    Lifted the promotion trophy at Wembley
    Provided the cross that lead to our late equaliser in the final
    Made NL team of the season last year
    Has been a solid pro for us really over all that period

    Many players have been asked to step up to a higher level. Do we think that's easy? Do we think they don't want to step up? Be better and advance their careers? Do we think they aren't trying? Do they deserve our vitriol and contempt for trying? Or achieving what they have already?

    He's one member of a large squad that it's trying to step up and in doing so move the club forward. There's only one word for most of the hate on these threads S-C-A-P-E-G-O-A-T

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_anticlough View Post
    Hardly anyone's looking good when it's 8pts out of 36, 5 consecutive home defeats, and a freefall down the table.

    I think we have to distinguish between someone who has actually achieved something for this club and someone who hasn't at all (apart from negative records).

    Cameron has given 3 years solid service.
    Played what....around 110 games?
    Captained the club to promotion
    Lifted the promotion trophy at Wembley
    Provided the cross that lead to our late equaliser in the final
    Made NL team of the season last year
    Has been a solid pro for us really over all that period

    Many players have been asked to step up to a higher level. Do we think that's easy? Do we think they don't want to step up? Be better and advance their careers? Do we think they aren't trying? Do they deserve our vitriol and contempt for trying? Or achieving what they have already?

    He's one member of a large squad that it's trying to step up and in doing so move the club forward. There's only one word for most of the hate on these threads S-C-A-P-E-G-O-A-T
    Well said Mr Clough

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanjoPie View Post
    Well said Mr Clough
    Er...call me Anti

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_anticlough View Post
    Er...call me Anti
    Ok Aunty

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