Maynard In/Out/Shake it all about, Richard Montague's Recruitment, Cundy's Hip etc.

[matt_magpie]

They wont get rid of him unfortunately - because to do that they would have to admit they got it wrong- whole organisations have gone under becuase of the stubbeness or ego of owners
They will give him next season in the hope he turns it around - so they are proved right - for me i see a relegation battle mid table at best - it is what it is

How do you come to this conclusion?

[Davy500]

How do you come to this conclusion?

Just do not think they will - i mean SM is thw worst manager ever - yet they still stick with him - WHY?
They stuck with Ardley for 2 years and what did that achieve- then Burchanll. The fact is the owners apart from LW have made poor choices for head coach -
that being said we have a lot to thank them for, coming in and saving the club , and getting us out the NL
But in this case the best scenerio is they stick with SM next season and we under achieve- eventually sacking him after wasting one or two years, or the worst is we are dragged into a relegation battle, putting everything they achieved under threat ,and if we went down all the good work will be undone- and then i could see the owners pulling out.
One thing that has become evident in the last 20 years is that running a club in the EFL league 1 or 2 is no easy task, as we saw with the trust, Trew , Hardy and now the current owners. It is hard work for a club to break even , in fact up to 75% of clubs are running at a loss, only propped up by owners cash, the qustion you have to ask is what do the owners actually get out of running an EFL club, therte is no prsestige like in the premier ?

[Old_pie]

Just do not think they will - i mean SM is thw worst manager ever - yet they still stick with him - WHY?
They stuck with Ardley for 2 years and what did that achieve- then Burchanll. The fact is the owners apart from LW have made poor choices for head coach -
that being said we have a lot to thank them for, coming in and saving the club , and getting us out the NL
But in this case the best scenerio is they stick with SM next season and we under achieve- eventually sacking him after wasting one or two years, or the worst is we are dragged into a relegation battle, putting everything they achieved under threat ,and if we went down all the good work will be undone- and then i could see the owners pulling out.
One thing that has become evident in the last 20 years is that running a club in the EFL league 1 or 2 is no easy task, as we saw with the trust, Trew , Hardy and now the current owners. It is hard work for a club to break even , in fact up to 75% of clubs are running at a loss, only propped up by owners cash, the qustion you have to ask is what do the owners actually get out of running an EFL club, therte is no prsestige like in the premier ?

** this original reply was lost as my login timed out as I wrote it - I see others have made sensible comments since but I'll re-post it anyway **

Trew and Hardy wanted a vanity project, noting that Hardy already had the Cotgrave Golf Club which he cheekily renamed "The Nottinghamshire".

The Bros believe they can take underperforming and undervalued assets, based on their statistical information, and turn them into successful and profitable assets. Notts, especially once relegation was confirmed, met their price valuation. They would have made profits from Burchnall Rodrigues and Williams. There are a number of our players who will make a tidy sum if sold at the right time. The Bros have no inherent interest in Notts in the way that most of us here have. They are playing a numbers game based on their strategy. By all accounts they are intent on playing that game long term and they will accept ups and downs. Success will not come with the expectation of being a smooth straight line upwards the same as no financial investor will expect the value of their stocks to go up linearly every day/week/month or even year.

They will be learning as they go along, absorbing, discussing with competent people. I'm sure they realise that they've underestimated League Two. Was it someone on the Magpie Circle who was taken aback at how different League Two is now to when we were last there?

It sounds very much, listening to Mace, that Stuart is here for next season and I'd assume that there will be a ramping up of the defensive recruitment to give him half a chance and if he fails with that, and a full close season, then the axe will fall.

Look, let's hope he's learnt from this lean spell and we knock out 3 or 4 wins from our remaining games. mmm - do pigs fly at night?

[Davy500]

** this original reply was lost as my login timed out as I wrote it - I see others have made sensible comments since but I'll re-post it anyway **

Trew and Hardy wanted a vanity project, noting that Hardy already had the Cotgrave Golf Club which he cheekily renamed "The Nottinghamshire".

The Bros believe they can take underperforming and undervalued assets, based on their statistical information, and turn them into successful and profitable assets. Notts, especially once relegation was confirmed, met their price valuation. They would have made profits from Burchnall Rodrigues and Williams. There are a number of our players who will make a tidy sum if sold at the right time. The Bros have no inherent interest in Notts in the way that most of us here have. They are playing a numbers game based on their strategy. By all accounts they are intent on playing that game long term and they will accept ups and downs. Success will not come with the expectation of being a smooth straight line upwards the same as no financial investor will expect the value of their stocks to go up linearly every day/week/month or even year.

They will be learning as they go along, absorbing, discussing with competent people. I'm sure they realise that they've underestimated League Two. Was it someone on the Magpie Circle who was taken aback at how different League Two is now to when we were last there?

It sounds very much, listening to Mace, that Stuart is here for next season and I'd assume that there will be a ramping up of the defensive recruitment to give him half a chance and if he fails with that, and a full close season, then the axe will fall.

Look, let's hope he's learnt from this lean spell and we knock out 3 or 4 wins from our remaining games. mmm - do pigs fly at night?

I get the model the brothers use because it saves cash - but buying under performing, in experienced coaches and players will not work in L2, in fact with the coach its worked 1 time out of 4, and the same with players there is only a handfull that are really good players, many more have been average to poor
Fine if this is the model the owners wish to use, but we as supporters should get use to mid table or lower ( with a threat of Relegationn) most years , and perhaps 1 in 4 if they unearth a rising star in a coach or players we might challenge for automatic or playoofs
Most supporters expecting Notts are a big club and should be pushing for promotion will have to learn to be satisfied with less i think

[Davy500]

** this original reply was lost as my login timed out as I wrote it - I see others have made sensible comments since but I'll re-post it anyway **

Trew and Hardy wanted a vanity project, noting that Hardy already had the Cotgrave Golf Club which he cheekily renamed "The Nottinghamshire".

The Bros believe they can take underperforming and undervalued assets, based on their statistical information, and turn them into successful and profitable assets. Notts, especially once relegation was confirmed, met their price valuation. They would have made profits from Burchnall Rodrigues and Williams. There are a number of our players who will make a tidy sum if sold at the right time. The Bros have no inherent interest in Notts in the way that most of us here have. They are playing a numbers game based on their strategy. By all accounts they are intent on playing that game long term and they will accept ups and downs. Success will not come with the expectation of being a smooth straight line upwards the same as no financial investor will expect the value of their stocks to go up linearly every day/week/month or even year.

They will be learning as they go along, absorbing, discussing with competent people. I'm sure they realise that they've underestimated League Two. Was it someone on the Magpie Circle who was taken aback at how different League Two is now to when we were last there?

It sounds very much, listening to Mace, that Stuart is here for next season and I'd assume that there will be a ramping up of the defensive recruitment to give him half a chance and if he fails with that, and a full close season, then the axe will fall.

Look, let's hope he's learnt from this lean spell and we knock out 3 or 4 wins from our remaining games. mmm - do pigs fly at night?

League 2 is exactly the same as when we were last there- its because we were away for 54 years we forgot how we are not guaranteed a play off place like in the NL All mistakes and weaknesses will be punished every time at this level as we have seen recently

[Davy500]

League 2 is exactly the same as when we were last there- its because we were away for 54 years we forgot how we are not guaranteed a play off place like in the NL All mistakes and weaknesses will be punished every time at this level as we have seen recently

In fact we have struggled at L2 level for around 20 years accross several owners.