Quote Originally Posted by frogmiller View Post
Are you saying that you never heard the words ‘Safe and Effectivé’
I can't say I hear those words in isolation - I thought it was a case of a 'Here's a vaccine - it can help to reduce the severity of covid infection and help reduce risk of death in the case of elderly and vulnerable patients - but here are the usual list of side effects from common to rare. Yes, there was a lot of pressure on the public to vaccinate, but I certainly read up closely on it befoe I chose to take the vaccine, and that included awareness of blood clotting as one of the extremely rare side effects. So I don't think that you can say it was forced on a public with no awareness of side effect risks.

Whether the pressure for the public to take it should have been so extreme I'm not entirely convinced one way or the other, but when my mum got covid, I was mighty glad she had had the vaccination to reduce the severity. There is of course a big argument forthe 'unintended consequences' of a severe lockdown, to measure against the also substantial argument for how many lives the vaccinations saved but that's different to making out that these side effects were hidden from the public and it was a conspiracy to have us consume as much vaccine as possible.

I think the whole situation, not helped by what looked like very little leadership preparation for what was actually quite a predictable, and in fact likely situation like a covid pandemic, was a whole society in shock and panic, led by heavily pressured politicians and medical experts fumbling their way through in a way that was not great, but quite human. I'm all for keeping a close scrutiny on big pharma and any people/orgs looking to exploit the situation to make quick money, and there was no shortage of them on many levels, but at times I think the complexity and nuance of the responses from everyone is being too easily blended down into consiracies.