Reply With QuoteDon't forget those photos of the fake Iraqi prisoners when Morgan was editor of the Mirror.
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Morgan, interested in attracting viewers was absolutely hyperbolic on stating that everyone should rush out and get jabbed without truly understanding the way viruses work. He is now saying that there is 'not much difference' in terms of transmission rates - but of course doesn't go into what the research tells us on the extent that transmission is reduced or tell us where he is getting his factual information on which he bases these claims? Probably the same overstated hysteria that led him to make the claims that transmission completely stops transmission. He clearly isn't very good at research. Can't be bothered. Just reads headlines and forms an eye catching narrative to get views and hits. He's good at that. But I wouldn't link him to anything that supported an argument I was trying to make. And he's a knob.Originally Posted by frogmiller
Do you accept that having the virus has any effect on reducing your own personal syptoms, regardless of transmission? If not, what medical research is informing that?
Do you deny that having the virus has any impact on reducing transmission? None at all? If you are in agreement with Morgan and say it's 'not much difference' that must indicate that there has been a study that shows this? Morgan doesn't provide us with this - can you or Mr Optimist?
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Don't forget those photos of the fake Iraqi prisoners when Morgan was editor of the Mirror.
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How do think it would be possible to fully discover side effects without deploying mRNA vaccines following clinical trials.
If you aren't using a vaccine, drug or treatment then there's no chance of determining whether there are very rare side effects associated with their use.
In vitro studies, animal trials and the limited number of volunteers used in clinical trials are very unlikely to detect very rare side effects. That's the same for vaccines as it would have been for paracetamol, penicillin and every other drug that has been given authorisation.
When the clinical trials are taken into account, the covid vaccines have been in use for 4 years and they continue to have an excellent safety profile. What more do you want? I don't think you are going to get it.
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I completely agree that liking someone is not a pre-condition to agreeing with them. Assessing the weight to attach to someone's opinion necessarily involves assessing the person, however.
Morgan isn't a scientist. He's someone who has made a living out of an aggressive style of journalism that depends upon taking extreme and provocative positions. I take that into account in determining the weight that I am willing to attach to scientific opinions expressed by him.
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The piece wasn’t about science. It was about people changing their mind and seeing that what they were being told by scientists as contradictory or false.
I am clearly not a scientist apart from working in quality control. I have changed my mind on what we were being told about the vaccine through experiences.
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I understand that Zantac isn’t a mRNA product.
The reason that I am posting this is just to make sense of the size of claims made against big pharmaceutical companies for a drug that has effected 14000 people or so.
https://www.drugwatch.com/zantac/lawsuits/
The claims against the Covid vaccine would be directed at the governments around the world and maybe not the big pharmaceutical companies themselves.
If the claims that are made and reported by scientists could be subjected to the same type of cover up as the post office scandal, blood scandal and others.
I hope that it won’t come to it!
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PCR test - German tourists in Portuguese hotel
MSM Silent As Court Holds PCR Covid Tests 97% Inaccurate - Unfit for Purpose
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MSM Silent As Court Holds PCR Covid Tests 97% Inaccurate - Unfit for Purpose
The main stream media (MSM) in Europe and the US is deathly silent as a court determines the PCR test legally useless to test for Covid.
The Landmark legal ruling finds that Covid tests are not fit for purpose. So what does the MSM do? They ignore it
Four German holidaymakers who were illegally quarantined in Portugal after one was judged to be positive for Covid-19 have won their case, in a verdict that condemns the widely-used PCR test as being up to 97-percent unreliable.
Earlier this month, Portuguese judges upheld a decision from a lower court that found the forced quarantine of four holidaymakers to be unlawful. The case centered on the reliability (or lack thereof) of Covid-19 PCR tests.
The verdict, delivered on November 11, followed an appeal against a writ of habeas corpus filed by four Germans against the Azores Regional Health Authority. This body had been appealing a ruling from a lower court which had found in favor of the tourists, who claimed that they were illegally confined to a hotel without their consent. The tourists were ordered to stay in the hotel over the summer after one of them tested positive for coronavirus in a PCR test - the other three were labelled close contacts and therefore made to quarantine as well.
Unreliable, with a strong chance of false positives
The deliberation of the Lisbon Appeal Court is comprehensive and fascinating. It ruled that the Azores Regional Health Authority had violated both Portuguese and international law by confining the Germans to the hotel. The judges also said that only a doctor can “diagnose” someone with a disease, and were critical of the fact that they were apparently never assessed by one.
They were also scathing about the reliability of the PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test, the most commonly used check for Covid.
The conclusion of their 34-page ruling included the following: “In view of current scientific evidence, this test shows itself to be unable to determine beyond reasonable doubt that such positivity corresponds, in fact, to the infection of a person by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.”
In the eyes of this court, then, a positive test does not correspond to a Covid case. The two most important reasons for this, said the judges, are that, “the test’s reliability depends on the number of cycles used’’ and that “the test’s reliability depends on the viral load present.’’ In other words, there are simply too many unknowns surrounding PCR testing.
Tested positive? There could be as little as a 3% chance it’s correct
This is not the first challenge to the credibility of PCR tests. Many people will be aware that their results have a lot to do with the number of amplifications that are performed, or the ‘cycle threshold.’ This number in most American and European labs is 35–40 cycles, but experts have claimed that even 35 cycles is far too many, and that a more reasonable protocol would call for 25–30 cycles. (Each cycle exponentially increases the amount of viral DNA in the sample).
Earlier this year, data from three US states – New York, Nevada and Massachusetts – showed that when the amount of the virus found in a person was taken into account, up to 90 percent of people who tested positive could actually have been negative, as they may have been carrying only tiny amounts of the virus.
The Portuguese judges cited a study conducted by “some of the leading European and world specialists,” which was published by Oxford Academic at the end of September. It showed that if someone tested positive for Covid at a cycle threshold of 35 or higher, the chances of that person actually being infected is less than three percent, and that “the probability of… receiving a false positive is 97% or higher.”
While the judges in this case admitted that the cycle threshold used in Portuguese labs was unknown, they took this as further proof that the detention of the tourists was unlawful. The implication was that the results could not be trusted. Because of this uncertainty, they stated that there was "no way this court would ever be able to determine" whether the tourist who tested positive was indeed a carrier of the virus, or whether the others had been exposed to it.
Sshhh – don’t tell anyone
It is a sad indictment of our mainstream media that such a landmark ruling, of such obvious and pressing international importance, has been roundly ignored. If one were making (flimsy) excuses for them, one could say that the case escaped the notice of most science editors because it has been published in Portuguese. But there is a full English translation of the appeal, and alternative media managed to pick it up.
And it isn’t as if Portugal is some remote, mysterious nation where news is unreliable or whose judges are suspect – this is a western EU country with a large population and a similar legal system to many other parts of Europe. And it is not the only country whose institutions are clashing with received wisdom on Covid. Finland’s national health authority has disputed the WHO’s recommendation to test as many people as possible for coronavirus, saying it would be a waste of taxpayer’s money, while poorer South East Asian countries are holding off on ordering vaccines, citing an improper use of finite resources.
Testing, especially PCR testing, is the basis for the entire house of cards of Covid restrictions that are wreaking havoc worldwide. From testing comes case numbers. From case numbers come the ‘R number,’ the rate at which a carrier infects others. From the ‘dreaded’ R number comes the lockdowns and the restrictions, such as England’s new and baffling tiered restrictions that come into force next week.
The daily barrage of statistics is familiar to us all by this point, but as time goes on the evidence that something may be deeply amiss with the whole foundation of our reaction to this pandemic – the testing regime – continues to mount.
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As confirmed by the inventor, Kary Mullis...
https://rumble.com/v2dwgw2-dr.-kary-...-pcr-test.html
Despite your post above, I'm certain Pfizer's Poster-Boy will be along shortly to tell us that all these people are wrong, but he's definitely right...
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I’ve seen reports saying that the AZ 2 year long research isn’t looking good for them.
As my mum used to say. It’ll all come out in the wash!
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