Election Year or Fear!

[ramAnag]

It is, and I dont

Strange response from an intelligent poster. Can’t have it both ways.
I imagine none of us want to pay more tax, but then I don’t actually want to pay to have my boiler or my car serviced either…I just recognise that if I want them to perform reliably and properly then they’re costs I have to meet.
The same is true of public services. If we want high quality schools, hospitals, elderly care etc then we have to pay the cost/‘service charge’.
IF it’s done fairly and is targeted and ‘ring fenced’ properly I have no objection. It’s not a vote winner but it’s probably the truth.

[Trickytreesreds]

Lets not forget the Euro elections this week end. Hottest topic? Oh dear.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2...er-controls-po

[Trickytreesreds]

Strange response from an intelligent poster. Can’t have it both ways.
I imagine none of us want to pay more tax, but then I don’t actually want to pay to have my boiler or my car serviced either…I just recognise that if I want them to perform reliably and properly then they’re costs I have to meet.
The same is true of public services. If we want high quality schools, hospitals, elderly care etc then we have to pay the cost/‘service charge’.
IF it’s done fairly and is targeted and ‘ring fenced’ properly I have no objection. It’s not a vote winner but it’s probably the truth.

And I would agree with you. But if anyone is going to do that, then the least they could do, was be honest about it.
Lying and denying is in every speech/debate

[Andy_Faber]

maybe all ‘catchment areas’ are not the same.

Either way I wasn’t just talking about surgeries, but about schools, hospitals, the emergency services, social services, immigration services, care for the elderly etc.

Isn’t it the truth that the grown up question, the nettle we have to grasp, is…do we want better public and social services enough to fund them through higher taxes?

All catchment areas are different, but that's irrelevant. All GP surgeries could be process improved, and who's to say my GP surgery doesn't have a fundamentally difficult demographic to deal with?

And you were talking about 'public and social services'. your words, and last time i checked GP surgeries were one such. But I'm happy to take hospitals as another example, with Mrs Faber's experience with her elderly friend last year being as different as night and day at Derby Royal and QMC

Improving the way things work without throwing money at the problem is bloody hard, and IMO the best way to do it in the public sector is remove a goodly amount of its management and replace with proper business folk

So no, or rather to turn your question round, I don't want higher taxes to fund better public and social services until I can see evidence that waste/inefficiency is being squeezed hard out of it. Regretably, with our four-year cycle, any victorious team/party has got to hit the ground running with a ****-hot team, and neither, to quote MA, the Blue Tories or the Red Tories have got such a team nor the leader to stoke em up

[Trickytreesreds]

Friday night, get yer cans in, its fight night.

The line-up
Conservative Party: Penny Mordaunt

Labour Party: Angela Rayner

Scottish National Party: Stephen Flynn

Liberal Democrats: Daisy Cooper

Green Party: Carla Denyer

Reform Party: Nigel Farage

Plaid Cymru: Rhun ap Iorwerth

[ramAnag]

All catchment areas are different, but that's irrelevant. All GP surgeries could be process improved, and who's to say my GP surgery doesn't have a fundamentally difficult demographic to deal with?

And you were talking about 'public and social services'. your words, and last time i checked GP surgeries were one such. But I'm happy to take hospitals as another example, with Mrs Faber's experience with her elderly friend last year being as different as night and day at Derby Royal and QMC

Improving the way things work without throwing money at the problem is bloody hard, and IMO the best way to do it in the public sector is remove a goodly amount of its management and replace with proper business folk

So no, or rather to turn your question round, I don't want higher taxes to fund better public and social services until I can see evidence that waste/inefficiency is being squeezed hard out of it. Regretably, with our four-year cycle, any victorious team/party has got to hit the ground running with a ****-hot team, and neither, to quote MA, the Blue Tories or the Red Tories have got such a team nor the leader to stoke em up

I did say I wasn’t JUST talking about surgeries which are, of course, included within ‘public and social services’.

I don’t know what Mrs. F’s experiences of the DRH and QMC were.

Not sure who you mean by ‘proper business folk’ or how they would be qualified to run public and social services.

I did qualify my suggestion with the words ‘fairly, targeted and ring fenced’. In no way is that encouraging wastefulness, but IF the problem is one of under funding - as I believe has been the case over the last 14 years - then the question remains about whether there is a realistic alternative to raising necessary funds via taxation.

[Andy_Faber]

I did say I wasn’t JUST talking about surgeries which are, of course, included within ‘public and social services’.

I don’t know what Mrs. F’s experiences of the DRH and QMC were.

Not sure who you mean by ‘proper business folk’ or how they would be qualified to run public and social services.

I did qualify my suggestion with the words ‘fairly, targeted and ring fenced’. In no way is that encouraging wastefulness, but IF the problem is one of under funding - as I believe has been the case over the last 14 years - then the question remains about whether there is a realistic alternative to raising necessary funds via taxation.

that's a pretty daft sentence - if the problem is underfunding, the solution is funding! What I'm suggesting is that that isn't the only, or the biggest, problem

Mrs F's experience was her attempts to help prolong the life of an ailing old local lady, another one of those anecdotes that just ended up with a lengthy period of ridicule from Swale, the point being that the difference in care between the two was stark

[ramAnag]

that's a pretty daft sentence - if the problem is underfunding, the solution is funding! What I'm suggesting is that that isn't the only, or the biggest, problem

Mrs F's experience was her attempts to help prolong the life of an ailing old local lady, another one of those anecdotes that just ended up with a lengthy period of ridicule from Swale, the point being that the difference in care between the two was stark

It’s really not a ‘daft sentence’. If the problem is underfunding then you’re right…the solution is funding. The question I’m asking is…where will such funding come from other than taxation?

Would be ‘daft’ to comment on Mrs. F’s experience and the ‘stark’ comparison, or Swale’s ‘ridicule’, as I know nothing about any of it.

[swaledale]

YOUGOV admited it has a left wing bias, because of its membership you ignoramous. Its full of teachers/ NHS/ civil service. It doesn't matter who owns it you clown, its who fills in the polls.

You do post some rubbish on here! Even a short read of the research would show that Yougov's polls have niether been biased towards the conservatives or labour and what is more its results have been in line with their polls but overall slightly more accurate.

I don't know where you get your dubious information from, well I do and its mostly bat**** crazy internet conspiracy theorists. Every time you post, you just demonstrate how completely clueless you are, prime Farage material, he loves tw@ts like you!

Its amusing how someone so stupid thinks they aren't, deluded or what?

[Andy_Faber]

Lets not forget the Euro elections this week end. Hottest topic? Oh dear.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2...er-controls-po

Looks like you’re in trouble again. Please stop posting undeniable evidence from trusted sources