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[Stovicmiller]

Why have you posted this given that nobody has proposed open borders?

you ignored my first post .

[Stovicmiller]

Only the deluded think we haven’t got open borders now.

[Stovicmiller]

Sorry just seen your first reply .

[flourbasher]

I am not aware of current or future authorities suggesting we shut our borders completely as has been intimidated by some.
My understanding is that the preference is to thoroughly vet who is coming here and that they are suitable qualified, experienced and have the skills that we require. Presumably this can also include low skilled workers too if there is a supply shortage

I’ve only heard the Reform Party suggesting they would set a minimum threshold

Surely there’s a happy medium rather than open the borders or let no one in as both of those aren’t what we need.

[KerrAvon]

I get that - but the point in the thread being made is that we should shut the door on immigration as we have the personnel to fill our vacancies within the UK already. I'm just intrigued as to how we are going to fill these skilled/semi skilled positions in teaching, healthcare etc by forcing people who are out of work for whatever reason. As an employer, I'd rather have a highly motivated, healthy and trained immigrant to teach the next generation, or to care for the elders.

Be great to get an answer from the people who want zero net migration as to how we can provide the skilled/semi skilled workforce to take on these vacancies in the next generation as more and more workers reach retirement. What's the long term thinking for dealing with this?

It's not just about skilled and semi skilled.

I used to have a lot of clients in a town that featured a factory that made pre-packed salads and sandwiches for the supermarket/service station type trade. By all accounts, the work was miserable, often completed in refrigeratoed rooms.

It became a bit of a running joke amongst criminal lawyers in the town that come a sentencing hearing, clients would turn up with a letter saying that they had an offer of a job at the sandwich factory. Even judges picked up on it.

Some years later, I was introduced to the owner of the sandwich factory and I asked him about his business. He told me that he had terrible problems securing staff. 'Locals' would either not turn up on their first day or would disappear after a couple of days. He told me that he had solved the problem by laying on a bus to town about 15 miles away that had a large immigrant community (mostly Eastern European and South Asian) who he found to be a reliable work force.

[flourbasher]

It's not just about skilled and semi skilled.

He told me that he had solved the problem by laying on a bus to town about 15 miles away that had a large immigrant community (mostly Eastern European and South Asian) who he found to be a reliable work force.

In a similar vein, an employment agency in SY used to lay on a minibus from Rotherham to take temporary workers to the fens of Cambridgeshire to work on the seasonal harvesting of vegetables.
That’s a long way for a daily commute and I believe these were workers who were born and bred in Rotherham and not immigrants who had moved there.
The situation might be different now though

[ragingpup]

I am not aware of current or future authorities suggesting we shut our borders completely as has been intimidated by some.
My understanding is that the preference is to thoroughly vet who is coming here and that they are suitable qualified, experienced and have the skills that we require. Presumably this can also include low skilled workers too if there is a supply shortage

I’ve only heard the Reform Party suggesting they would set a minimum threshold

Surely there’s a happy medium rather than open the borders or let no one in as both of those aren’t what we need.

I completely agree flour. We should use the Brexit powers going forward to assess carefully what the labour market needs and adapt accordingly to fill all types of vacancies that can't be filled from our own workforce. I'm all for a big investment on skilling up and recruiting workers from out of work positions for positions that they can fill, expand apprenticeships, enhance pay and make as much work as possible attractive enough to encourage those who are able to work. But after that, I still fear that we will struggle to recruit on mass for many areas in order for many public and provate sectors to stay functioning.

These questions were aimed at the posters on here who are supporting Farage's demand for net zero immigration - but without saying exactly how they would practically fill the positions that would be left open by this policy without the completely unserious 'force the buggers to work' mentality which can ony really appeal to people who can't think, let alone think things through.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

In a similar vein, an employment agency in SY used to lay on a minibus from Rotherham to take temporary workers to the fens of Cambridgeshire to work on the seasonal harvesting of vegetables.
That’s a long way for a daily commute and I believe these were workers who were born and bred in Rotherham and not immigrants who had moved there.
The situation might be different now though

The Rotherham " pakistani" rapists were born and bred in Rotherham

[UlleyMiller]

By way of assistance:

Just as you've left me to come up with examples of successful left wing economic policy in the absence of any evidence to back up your statement. Nothing found as yet...

My 'statement':

Conversation about BBC bias...

That's laughable, have you watched Question Time, Have I got News for You and similar programs?

Receives the reply...

I missed the ones where they were hammering home points about the benefits of left wing economic policy... can you point me at those?

Obviously either didn't understand the context, or wanted to deliberately push an agenda item.

Similar logic fail:

Do you feel you're in a position to determine who's being reasonable and who isn't?

"You don't get to determine how dialogue and reasoning work... etc"

Although, also wants to determine rules of dialogue...

Your argument collapses once the insults start.

For clarity, the insult was to suggest viewership of GB News (defender of Farage, Laurence Fox, et al, conspiracy theories about 'MSM', etc). I've had worse insults today, and basically only worked from home. Even more bizarre, when asked if pointing at TV channel viewership was insulting...

Not in the slightest.

To quote the man himself:

Bit of a logic fail.

Thankfully, however...

I have an enquiring mind, and am happy to learn.

For my part, I'm a little more closed off. Once I've seen people delve into Farage apologism and 'MSM' theories, I struggle to take the rest seriously. So far, I've yet to see concerns around climate change denial, Enoch Powell endorsements, gay conversion therapy views, etc taken seriously once I encounter these mindsets, but see deflection to well-worn GB News gripes all too commonly.

Hand in the air, fully accept I have a problem with certain kinds of people. I'm a GBeebiist. A Richard-Tice-phobic of the highest order. And as long as people continue to defend and deflect for Reform, UKIP, BNP-Lite, or whatever else they're dressed as, I'll be here with my disapproving gaze, stubbornly resisting attempts to push the conversation onto small boats, straight bananas, or how net migration should be zero (as long as there are no follow-up questions).

[UlleyMiller]

Roly what would you call the people who immediately voted back in the local Labour Party in Rotherham after 1600 young girls were raped and ***ually abused on their watch , who did you vote for Roly .

Whilst I wouldn't suggest there aren't people in and around the elected tranche of the local authority, the size and complexity of the operation (and others around the country) points to a good deal more people who should have done a hell of a lot more. Politicising it doesn't just give undeserved credence to opportunistic opponents of Labour members, it also shines the light away from a number of others who should be anywhere between living with endless shame, and staring at a cell wall.