Election Year or Fear!

[Andy_Faber]

If by that your referring to those who voted leave, then your mistaken to think that the majority of these did so because of "our Nige"!.

Lets not confuse the fact that his ramblings put the wind up some of the Tory party and that Cameron in an attempt to cure the festering sore within the Tory party that was the division between the eurosceptics and the europhiles decided to have a referendum, then ****ed up the management of that referendum because he thought it easy to win.

There were a number of different reasons as to why people voted leave in the referendum, immigration loomed large but wasn't the only or even the deciding factor.

Given the UKIP vote of around 4 million, that number less than a 1/3 of what you have quoted would be a reasonable estimate as to who is dumb enough to swallow the lies and crazed ravings of the grifter.

No arguing with that, maybe 1,269,501 (the margin of victory) (or defeat I guess)

I don't think his were ramblings though. I think everything he did and said was targeted, the only thing he couldn't have predicted was how useless the 'defence' (the Remain campaign) would be.

[swaledale]

No arguing with that, maybe 1,269,501 (the margin of victory) (or defeat I guess)

I don't think his were ramblings though. I think everything he did and said was targeted, the only thing he couldn't have predicted was how useless the 'defence' (the Remain campaign) would be.

By ramblings I mean incoherent poppycock with no substance behind them. Yes like all populists, his whole spiel and demeanour are carefully crafted, he knows a good dog whistle and the right levers to pull in order to yank the chains of those incapable of coherent thought. The mistake the Troy party has made, and, indeed other centrist parties in Europe is to accommodate these inane utterings and position by moving further to the right.

All that has done is increase the vote for the far right, I mean why would one, if is of that persuasion, vote for a copy when the real fascists are there to vote for?

[ramAnag]

By ramblings I mean incoherent poppycock with no substance behind them. Yes like all populists, his whole spiel and demeanour are carefully crafted, he knows a good dog whistle and the right levers to pull in order to yank the chains of those incapable of coherent thought. The mistake the Troy party has made, and, indeed other centrist parties in Europe is to accommodate these inane utterings and position by moving further to the right.

All that has done is increase the vote for the far right, I mean why would one, if is of that persuasion, vote for a copy when the real fascists are there to vote for?

Couldn't agree more…and before the shouts of ‘pilot’ and ‘rear gunner’ predictably begin from those who invariably fall over themselves to agree with each other over such issues, here’s a thought.

There was a letter to the Guardian - originally from around fifty odd years ago I think - suggesting that people tend to shift to the Right as they get older. It also noted that the average man over the age of 25 loses around one million irreplaceable cells of grey matter every day, suggesting perhaps that such moves to the Right may - not unlike osteoarthritis - be a further example of a degenerative condition.

Before the three degrees explode with righteous indignation I will add at this point that this comment was largely tongue in cheek. ‘Just joshing’ in AF speak…food for thought though.

[Andy_Faber]

Couldn't agree more…and before the shouts of ‘pilot’ and ‘rear gunner’ predictably begin from those who invariably fall over themselves to agree with each other over such issues, here’s a thought.

There was a letter to the Guardian - originally from around fifty odd years ago I think - suggesting that people tend to shift to the Right as they get older. It also noted that the average man over the age of 25 loses around one million irreplaceable cells of grey matter every day, suggesting perhaps that such moves to the Right may - not unlike osteoarthritis - be a further example of a degenerative condition.

Before the three degrees explode with righteous indignation I will add at this point that this comment was largely tongue in cheek. ‘Just joshing’ in AF speak…food for thought though.

‘A recent study’ found that it’s the idealist / head in the clouds cells that decay, leaving more room for the pragmatic / feet on the ground cells to grow

[MadAmster]

‘A recent study’ found that it’s the idealist / head in the clouds cells that decay, leaving more room for the pragmatic / feet on the ground cells to grow

Oh dear, does that mean I haven't got anywhere near losing the requisite number of brain cells yet? I still want a fairer world where the Musks and the Murdochs of this world can still get obscenely rich but that those unable to eke out a decent living get looked after...

[Andy_Faber]

Oh dear, does that mean I haven't got anywhere near losing the requisite number of brain cells yet? I still want a fairer world where the Musks and the Murdochs of this world can still get obscenely rich but that those unable to eke out a decent living get looked after...

If it means that it means we are at similar levels of ‘change’

[ramAnag]

If it means that it means we are at similar levels of ‘change’

If we could cease animosity for a moment (hopefully longer) I’d really love to understand where GP and AF are coming from. Seriously and genuinely.
Are you really so wealthy GP that you would lose out hugely if things were rebalanced a little…wouldn’t it be better to have slightly higher taxes IF it meant better hospitals, schools, care homes and emergency services…and why is it that MA, Swale and myself, none of whom I’d identify as being remotely ‘poor’, would welcome such change where you are apparently appalled at the prospect?
Andy…what sort of ‘change’ is it that you do actually support?