State Pension

[baggieal]

So you agree with taxing it for those “who don’t need it” then?

That’s my point.

No need to get so chippy…..go have a lie down on that mattress!

Personally Mick - does not impact on me like thousands of illegals so why would I care?

I do care though about those pot holes as already spent 500 quid on new tyres!

Rule Britannia 😭

[WBA123]

Heard someone make an interesting point...

We have 2m more pensioners than we had 30 years ago. We are now living longer than ever, which is obviously great, but it does present a problem.

Each pensioner apparently costs the tax payer around £25k per year. When you take into account Pensions / NHS usage / Winter fuel allowances etc.

The average person in this country pays £5k in tax per year. Which means roughly speaking, we need 5 working people to pay for each pensioner.

Now the issue is...our indigenous population isn't growing - its levelled out. Younger people are putting off having children / having fewer children etc. because of the cost of living probably.

So in the last 30 years, we needed an extra 10m workers to pay tax, just to pay for the increasing number of pensioners there are today compared to 30 years ago.

The biggest issue we face is not immigration, but an ageing population and an increasing number of pensioners to pay for.

We really need public services to be improved to cope with the additional workforce we require. And the responsibility of not improving/investing in public services does not lie with immigrants, it is with governments.

[soulman101]

Heard someone make an interesting point...

We have 2m more pensioners than we had 30 years ago. We are now living longer than ever, which is obviously great, but it does present a problem.

Each pensioner apparently costs the tax payer around £25k per year. When you take into account Pensions / NHS usage / Winter fuel allowances etc.

The average person in this country pays £5k in tax per year. Which means roughly speaking, we need 5 working people to pay for each pensioner.

Now the issue is...our indigenous population isn't growing - its levelled out. Younger people are putting off having children / having fewer children etc. because of the cost of living probably.

So in the last 30 years, we needed an extra 10m workers to pay tax, just to pay for the increasing number of pensioners there are today compared to 30 years ago.

The biggest issue we face is not immigration, but an ageing population and an increasing number of pensioners to pay for.

We really need public services to be improved to cope with the additional workforce we require. And the responsibility of not improving/investing in public services does not lie with immigrants, it is with governments.

Hi, I'm a pensioner and my wife will be in September.
I paid over £4k tax last year and it's gone up again this year, plus full council tax and dental treatment .
Before I retired i was a 40% tax payer and declared every penny, alot of my mates who also paid in never reached pension age .
We seem to be an easy target, we gafted for our money with no handouts .

[WBA123]

Hi, I'm a pensioner and my wife will be in September.
I paid over £4k tax last year and it's gone up again this year, plus full council tax and dental treatment .
Before I retired i was a 40% tax payer and declared every penny, alot of my mates who also paid in never reached pension age .
We seem to be an easy target, we gafted for our money with no handouts .

Pensioners are treated quite well I think, Governments (particularly the Tories) like to keep them sweet because they typically vote whereas younger people don't. You've been able to get on the property market relatively easily in comparison to today's young people, and you've seen huge increases in the price of that property.

If you paid £4k in tax last year as a pensioner, who has (presumably) paid off their mortgage and owns their house - you are doing a lot better than most.