O/T:- Trump

[andy6025]

Me and others have said they have little sympathy if he got shot based on the fact he is a deplorable individual who has caused deep distress and harm to others.

While I wouldn’t say that your feelings are invalid, I struggle to think of an American president in my lifetime that doesn’t fit that description… maybe Jimmy Carter? No, not even him. He funded and armed the fundamentalists in Afghanistan. A hell of a lot of people were harmed as a result of that decision…

[Davy500]

Great point. What kind of people are out there that would joke about what happened at the weekend? However, they probably went out celebrating when Thatcher died too.

Well i certainly didnt lose any sleep- but i did celebrate when Rishi Sunak government was chucked out - that was a fantastic night

[queenslandpie]

While I wouldn’t say that your feelings are invalid, I struggle to think of an American president in my lifetime that doesn’t fit that description… maybe Jimmy Carter? No, not even him. He funded and armed the fundamentalists in Afghanistan. A hell of a lot of people were harmed as a result of that decision…

There are a bazillion political leaders who have caused carnage with foreign policy. There are few who have "shat on their own doorstep" in a supposed democratic country as Trump through shady domestic business dealings. The closest ones I can think of that come to mind are Conservative MPs and the PPE scandal. But at least the public saw them for what they were and comprehensively booted them out.

[andy6025]

There are a bazillion political leaders who have caused carnage with foreign policy. There are few who have "shat on their own doorstep" in a supposed democratic country as Trump through shady domestic business dealings. The closest ones I can think of that come to mind are Conservative MPs and the PPE scandal. But at least the public saw them for what they were and comprehensively booted them out.

Ok, let’s put ourselves into a smaller box then.

Biden and the credit card companies. Obama carrying out extrajudicial assassinations on American citizens. Bush and Cheney shady dealings with Halliburton and Blackwater. Bill with Big Pharma, etc.

“Ok, yeah, that’s true, but at least they didn’t ________ [insert what Trump did here].”

If I were American I wouldn’t vote Trump either, but I have yet to be able to pinpoint any principles that consistently distinguishes other presidents from him.

[Lullapie]

You need to read posts more closely Laxton came to close to advocating that Trump should be killed but he didn't he just said he was sad the bullet missed. Me and others have said they have little sympathy if he got shot based on the fact he is a deplorable individual who has caused deep distress and harm to others. There is a HUGE difference. I feel very very sorry for the unsuspecting individuals and their families in attendance who did lose their lives who got injured who were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

How can you deplore someone you don't know? You probably know very little about him apart from the rubbish that the media serves you.

I couldn't stand Bill Clinton and even more Barack Obama - I wouldn't wish death on anyone whoever they were. Trump supporters were called the deplorables by Hilary Clinton, but seriously there are people on here that are much lower than that.

[Lullapie]

Well i certainly didnt lose any sleep- but i did celebrate when Rishi Sunak government was chucked out - that was a fantastic night

You are a very sad person.

Unfortunately it is a symbol of how low society has fallen.

[Lullapie]

Ok, let’s put ourselves into a smaller box then.

Biden and the credit card companies. Obama carrying out extrajudicial assassinations on American citizens. Bush and Cheney shady dealings with Halliburton and Blackwater. Bill with Big Pharma, etc.

“Ok, yeah, that’s true, but at least they didn’t ________ [insert what Trump did here].”

If I were American I wouldn’t vote Trump either, but I have yet to be able to pinpoint any principles that consistently distinguishes other presidents from him.

Absolutely superb points - a voice of reason. Don't forget Obama's continuation of Guantanamo Bay. The caging of illegal immigrants from Mexico and their children in the Child Detention Centres on the southern border. Damn there's so much. We had family and friends who lived in the US at the time of Obama's reign and they told us that he was hated that much that he would have never got in again if he could have stood for a third term. That was another reason the Democrats went for Hilary as they felt that Biden was too closely connected to Obama. Now, the only options they have to replace Biden is the Vice President with the lowest popularity rating ever, who doesn't have one ounce of common sense and just laughs all the time, because she never understands 'the question' or Michelle Obama.

GW Bush - used his brother Jed (the then Governor of Florida) to prevent black US voters from getting to the polling booths in Florida, so that George W could hold the state and win the election. No election fraud there. Totally out of his depth with 9/11 plus the inference that he and his family were that thick with the Saudis that he protected them at all costs.

Bill Clinton - boy oy boy (latterly used his Foundation to funnel funds to back Hilary in the 2016 election). Ronald Reagan - a movie star as President. JFK, reportedly had over 200 affairs while he was President. Massive disaster with the Bay of Pigs Invasion, which was the start of the confrontation with Cuba which nearly led to a third world war. We're only told today how he stood his ground with Russia.

I just need telling again how bad Trump is. He's no better or worse than any other previous President in terms of character. The USA has always been protectionist and always been seen as the Police Force of the world. The same world that slags of the USA when it suits them. The main difference with Trump is that he didn't start any new wars while in office and his team spent most of their time trying to bring US Servicemen home. If I was American and that meant not sacrificing anyone in my family for a cause a million miles away, I'd give him my vote every time.

[Lullapie]

There's an awful lot of rubbish out there to wade through, including daft theories that Yoko was behind it and that the doorman was CIA and a veteran of the bay of pigs (which he wasn't despite sharing a name with somebody who was).

Basically, Lennon had been hated by the Christian right since the "bigger than Jesus" debacle in 1966 and then became a thorn in the side of the Nixon admin in 1972 when Lennon fell in with the far left and intended to play at a series of anti-Nixon rallies. There are still classified documents on Lennon held to this day from the time they were spying on him.

Mark David Chapman was being groomed for something like this since the early 1970s when he fell into the orbit of pastor Charles McGowan who had links to intelligence and knew Nixon, so it was those two elements coming together who had a serious grudge, with the potential for Lennon to become problematic for the incoming Reagan admin and operations in Central America.

The lawyer who was initially representing Chapman lasted only a few days due to death threats and was replaced by somebody who worked in the same building as the CIA's law firm and he granted full access MK Ultra, one of whom was on US TV a year before the murder boasting he could convince somebody to carry out an assignation in the space of 6 months. Chapman had no idea why he'd done it when interviewed on the night, he said he had nothing against Lennon or The Beatles but just felt a compulsion to do it. Two fans who'd had lunch with Chapman earlier that day said he knew next to nothing about The Beatles and it was they who suggested he buy Lennon's album and get it signed (which he did and was photographed doing). The notion that he'd done it for Lennon's fame came later when the "Catcher in the Rye" link became problematic for intelligence when that book was also linked with the Reagan assassination attempt. In 1981 it changed from the book to demons making him doing it, the fame angle came in later years and has since stuck ,but if he'd done it for the fame he would have opted to go for the trial to get himself on TV.

Chapman's wife knew full well of the plot, has admitted as much and is still closely involved with McGowan to this day. In a press conference two days after the murder she said on camera "I'm sorry that John Lennon HAD TO DIE." which is very telling I think. It's incredible she's never faced any heat for being an accomplice. She drove her husband to the airport having arranged his flight knowing full well he'd been to NYC the previous month with the intention of killing Lennon and she rang the police station to speak to MDC before his name had been made public.

That is a fantastic piece. You're not just a NCFC Stats expert .

[Lullapie]

Anybody who finds themselves advocating the attempted murder or murder of any candidate standing in a democratic election has completely lost the plot, whether they hate Trump, Biden or anyone else.

A mate of mine over here in New Zealand is a senior Police Officer and he always says that for someone to say they 'hate' somebody who they have never met or had no dealings with, says more about the mental capacity of those doing the 'hating' rather than mental capacity of the one they hate.

[Lullapie]

A war on the U.S. Constitution.

Can you show your proof please - I'm not backing Trump here, just calling out bull$hit from keyboard warriors. I mean, if you feel that strongly about him, why don't you take him to court to prove your point?

I really can't find any President in the last 40 years that has waged a war on the US Constitution.