Southgate

[Notts78]

So what exciting and rewarding England team did you watch before those four years?

The other question, how is coming runners up a failure? Given the last time we made a final was when?

[jackal2]

I don’t think you need to be an elite manager at International football and my reasoning is none of them go into international football.

Did anyone know who the Spain manager was before these Euros ?

Klopp won’t take the job in a million years and nor should he after all the sh*t our media gave him if I was him I’d chill in Marjorca like he is doing.

The smart money is likely to be on Carsley.

Fair point about the Spain manager - he showed you don't have to be a big name to win, but given the way his team played throughout the tournament, he will certainly be regarded as an elite manager now. They were greater than the sum of their parts, beating Germany, France and ourselves along the way, whereas England for the most part looked slow, disjointed and relied on flashes of individual brilliance to get past comparatively lesser opponents.

I hope there are proven top level managers out there who would be interested in managing England, especially if we're prepared to consider foreign candidates. I'd argue on the balance of probability that they have the best chance of getting the most out of our talented players, even though nothing is ever guaranteed.

If you're right that no top name wants the job, then we will have to try to find a relatively unheralded manager who has the ability to be great but needs the platform to prove it, as Spain's manager did.

Luke Williams anyone?

[SinceSept1959]

So what exciting and rewarding England team did you watch before those four years?

No need for sarcasm , just stating facts. Watched a number of England games and other internationals at Wembley and other stadiums over the years.
If you find that tripe football under Southgate , watchable, you obviously didn't need to stock up on Horlicks or sleeping tablets.
One of my neighbours went the whole hog decorating his house like it was Christmas.
He's either delusional, an eternal optimist or knows nowt at all about football.
The fact that he also supports F..word it's probably a case of all three elements.

[the_anticlough]

The other question, how is coming runners up a failure? Given the last time we made a final was when?

Yes, and it'd be easy to prove that Gareth Southgate is the most successful England manager of all time.

4 tournaments - SF, Finalists, QF, Finalists

For England that is outstanding, this is Alf Ramsay's...

6 tournaments - DNQ, Winners, SF, QF, QF, DNQ...

Ramsay, Robson, Southgate....that's about it for 75 years of competing

[Davy500]

No need for sarcasm , just stating facts. Watched a number of England games and other internationals at Wembley and other stadiums over the years.
If you find that tripe football under Southgate , watchable, you obviously didn't need to stock up on Horlicks or sleeping tablets.
One of my neighbours went the whole hog decorating his house like it was Christmas.
He's either delusional, an eternal optimist or knows nowt at all about football.
The fact that he also supports F..word it's probably a case of all three elements.

No sarcasm people like you are a disgrace - i have said if you dont like it go off and do something else but stop complaining.People loke you are never satisfied unless your moaning
At least your not like all the others who have come out today and said how great Gareth is, trouble is it was a month to late, they should have been saying these things at the start of the tournament.
England managers just cant win no matter what they do, Southgate stuck to a system that was very competitive and got us to the later and last stages of a knockout competitions, , in the finals maybe with a bit of luck woould have won it, as England did in 66 .
Its all very well people saying make subs earlier attack more, funny enough that was our undoing against spain, after equalising we tried to attack, leaving large spaces for spain to exploit as in the player that was allowed to run 60 yards unmarked

[Davy500]

And it was given, and if it hadn't it was 3-2.

Was the second goal meaning they would have lost in 90 mins, the fourt goal whent in right at the end so was irrelevant

[Davy500]

Thank goodness Southgate has gone !
I haven't watched England for four yearssince the turgid , dismal performances and failure in the last European finals under Southgate.
Totally out of his depth as a football manager and more like a woke appeasing politician , which isn't his job.
As for England not winning the World Cup because of a debatable Geoff Hurst goal the argument against is invalid because goal line technology and VAR didn't exist. As the Laws of the Game were written at the time, " if in the opinion of the referee (and linesmen etc ) the goal was correctly given.
Criticism by media has always been rife and Graham Taylor was indeed the most vilified victim of the press and Sir Alf endured his fair share too.

Cause its revelant because video analysts have proved the ball did not cross the line, so in my eyes that is luck, in both of the final southgate got to, we did not have that kind of luck- clear of and maon about something else
I am beginning to realise why our own club Notts county dropped to the 5th tier with people always maoning and wanting decent to good managers sacked- well you got what you wanted and notss even dropped out the league altogether - you shouldnt even be a supporter your a disgrace

[Lullapie]

I think many are missing the point when referring to results as the only measure of how successful Southgate was. I know, before you say it, that all professional sports today are a results' orientated business, but I think there has been a missed opportunity for a generation of England footballers.

They undoubtedly have massive talent, but my god, how restrictive was the England game under Southgate? Any player with an ounce sparkle had it coached out of him.

From the FA's perspective they'd be extremely happy with Gareth's contribution. He doesn't rock the boat. He doesn't say confrontational things. He doesn't do anything outside of normal........yawn. As I said, he was worth every penny they paid him - as well as getting England through to the final stages of a few tournaments - which increases the England Football Team's profile throughout the world - more money for the English FA.

However I don't think as fans that we'll be talking about this tournament for years to come (or the one before) in terms of an inspirational England team.

As the lyrics to Vindaloo say...'we're going to score one more goal than you' - as long as you don't score a goal either! (the last part was my bit).

[queenslandpie]

Yes, and it'd be easy to prove that Gareth Southgate is the most successful England manager of all time.

4 tournaments - SF, Finalists, QF, Finalists

For England that is outstanding, this is Alf Ramsay's...

6 tournaments - DNQ, Winners, SF, QF, QF, DNQ...

Ramsay, Robson, Southgate....that's about it for 75 years of competing

Venables got us to a Semi as well.

[queenslandpie]

I'd Seen that Sarina Wiegman's name was up for consideration. I would not classify her as a token choice just to make the FA look good. She does know what she's doing clearly. Thoughts? I don't really know what to think! One thing to consider is that having a female in charge might stop a lot of the ridiculous ill considered media and fan vitriol ( for a while). Of course in the long term it could make it worse as well.