Political Thread in memory of David Reid. (R.I.P.)

[sinkov]

The Labour U Turns are coming already, Winter Fuel Payments being scrapped unless you're on benefits. Recently Labour demanded the Tories didn't scrap them, pensioners shouldn't have to pay for the Tories incompetence they said, Reeves herself said they wouldn't be scrapped, but now Labour are scrapping them when fuel costs are at an all time high. Strangely this news is hard to find in the Grauniad, one little piece hidden away says they are being scrapped for 'some pensioners', those 'some pensioners' number ten million.

Old folk thrown under the bus by Labour, who's next ?

[outwoodclaret]

The Labour U Turns are coming already, Winter Fuel Payments being scrapped unless you're on benefits. Recently Labour demanded the Tories didn't scrap them, pensioners shouldn't have to pay for the Tories incompetence they said, Reeves herself said they wouldn't be scrapped, but now Labour are scrapping them when fuel costs are at an all time high. Strangely this news is hard to find in the Grauniad, one little piece hidden away says they are being scrapped for 'some pensioners', those 'some pensioners' number ten million.

Old folk thrown under the bus by Labour, who's next ?

Well Labour already plan to build on green belt - don’t be fooled by their we are only using brownfield or “grey belt” land. They are not- see for example the Places 4 Everyone Plan for Greater Manchester. Goodbye Tony Bliar. Hello Sir Keir Harmer. It didn’t take long as you point out sinkov. They can promise change but beware it is not a change for the worse.

[wanderlust]

The Labour U Turns are coming already, Winter Fuel Payments being scrapped unless you're on benefits. Recently Labour demanded the Tories didn't scrap them, pensioners shouldn't have to pay for the Tories incompetence they said, Reeves herself said they wouldn't be scrapped, but now Labour are scrapping them when fuel costs are at an all time high. Strangely this news is hard to find in the Grauniad, one little piece hidden away says they are being scrapped for 'some pensioners', those 'some pensioners' number ten million.

Old folk thrown under the bus by Labour, who's next ?

You mean well off old pensioners who don't need the winter payment thrown under the bus, surely? Always irked me that folk with £40k a year private pension were getting paid. Anyone who can't afford the additional fuel cost can apply to be means tested so in fact nobody who needs it is losing out.

If they are going to fill the £20 billion Tory financial black hole with something, it might as well be that for starters.

[sinkov]

You mean well off old pensioners who don't need the winter payment thrown under the bus, surely? Always irked me that folk with £40k a year private pension were getting paid. Anyone who can't afford the additional fuel cost can apply to be means tested so in fact nobody who needs it is losing out.

If they are going to fill the £20 billion Tory financial black hole with something, it might as well be that for starters.

I gave my views on the winter fuel payments in Post 229, they're not dissimilar to yours, but it was Labour who introduced these payments in 1997, so they were paying millionaires this money for 13 years up to 2010, since when they have always kicked up **** whenever a Tory government has proposed stopping them. Now they're stopping them within weeks of taking office after promising not to. Hypocrites or just liars ?

As for the fantasy £22 billion black hole in the public finances, 'Reeves cannot claim complete ignorance about the spending pressures and said herself during the campaign that the existence of the independent Office for Budget Responsibility meant it was not necessary to win an election to find out about the state of public finances.' But now she says she didn't know, was she lying then, or is she lying now ? Does it really matter ? Labour, Tories, two cheeks of the same arse.

[Supersub6]

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As for the fantasy £22 billion black hole in the public finances, 'Reeves cannot claim complete ignorance about the spending pressures and said herself during the campaign that the existence of the independent Office for Budget Responsibility meant it was not necessary to win an election to find out about the state of public finances.' But now she says she didn't know, was she lying then, or is she lying now ? Does it really matter ? Labour, Tories, two cheeks of the same arse.

How very true sinkov, and just who is getting crapped on as usual? Oh yes, Joe Public who can do absolutely nothing about it.
Never mind ------Utopia is just around the corner.

[sinkov]

How very true sinkov, and just who is getting crapped on as usual? Oh yes, Joe Public who can do absolutely nothing about it.
Never mind ------Utopia is just around the corner.

It's very odd Sub, some people have spent 14 years whingeing about Joe Public being shat upon by Tories, when Labour sh1ts on Joe Public, they don't seem to mind, indeed they even defend them. Very odd.