Election Year or Fear!

[Andy_Faber]

Can imagine your response if a teacher/doctor/police inspector was found to be committing hours per week to a second job.

All my teacher and doctor friends have friends have second jobs.

[ramAnag]

All my teacher and doctor friends have friends have second jobs.

Really? Slightly confusing sentence…but I’m amazed and if that’s the case I’d suggest they a) aren’t doing their (full time) jobs properly and b) have no business complaining about being overworked which, in my experience, many teachers are…and for a lot less than MP’s receive.

P.S. Or maybe it’s a double bluff and you don’t actually have any ‘teacher and doctor friends’…or maybe just one of each.

P.P.S. Seriously…I think the average current UK salary is somewhere between £35-36k. If MP’s can’t be satisfied, while representing their constituents, on approaching three times that amount then they’re in the wrong job for the wrong reasons…imo.

[Andy_Faber]

Really? Slightly confusing sentence…but I’m amazed and if that’s the case I’d suggest they a) aren’t doing their (full time) jobs properly and b) have no business complaining about being overworked which, in my experience, many teachers are…and for a lot less than MP’s receive.

P.S. Or maybe it’s a double bluff and you don’t actually have any ‘teacher and doctor friends’…or maybe just one of each.

P.P.S. Seriously…I think the average current UK salary is somewhere between £35-36k. If MP’s can’t be satisfied, while representing their constituents, on approaching three times that amount then they’re in the wrong job for the wrong reasons…imo.

You're living in the past rA, most people have second jobs. My (4) teacher friends are also private music and maths teachers and PTs, I think one is an interior design consultant too. I know 3 doctors, they all do private work as well as their salaried employment.

and stop with the lack of belief of my anecdotes, its a childish habit of Swales'you've picked up but to quote one of your favourite phrases 'you're better than that'.

On the subject of remuneration, I don't agree, they have a four year contract and if they want to create or continue life-long revenue streams so be it.

[ramAnag]

You're living in the past rA, most people have second jobs. My (4) teacher friends are also private music and maths teachers and PTs, I think one is an interior design consultant too. I know 3 doctors, they all do private work as well as their salaried employment.

and stop with the lack of belief of my anecdotes, its a childish habit of Swales'you've picked up but to quote one of your favourite phrases 'you're better than that'.

On the subject of remuneration, I don't agree, they have a four year contract and if they want to create or continue life-long revenue streams so be it.

‘Most people have second jobs.’ Really?

With respect, AF, not living in ‘your world’ doesn’t equate to ‘living in the past’. I’d wager I have, and certainly have had, a great deal more ‘teacher friends’ than you. Of all of them - a great many more than four - I can think of two who have separate income streams via rented property, one who was a professional musician, one who used to run weekend discos and one who used to earn a bit of extra money selling perfume at Christmas. The vast majority have their hands more than full just keeping up with the demands of the job. Like you I do know doctors, though not as friends, who do private work alongside their salaried employment though that has always seemed a tad morally questionable to me.

After your performance this week you’re really in no position to lecture anyone about ‘childish habits’ and, despite your obsession, I’ve picked nothing up from Swale and was just ‘joshing’ about your anecdote, although seeing as, by your own admission, it related to just four teachers and three doctors it’s hardly representative is it?

[Andy_Faber]

‘Most people have second jobs.’ Really?

With respect, AF, not living in ‘your world’ doesn’t equate to ‘living in the past’. I’d wager I have, and certainly have had, a great deal more ‘teacher friends’ than you. Of all of them - a great many more than four - I can think of two who have separate income streams via rented property, one who was a professional musician, one who used to run weekend discos and one who used to earn a bit of extra money selling perfume at Christmas. The vast majority have their hands more than full just keeping up with the demands of the job. Like you I do know doctors, though not as friends, who do private work alongside their salaried employment though that has always seemed a tad morally questionable to me.

After your performance this week you’re really in no position to lecture anyone about ‘childish habits’ and, despite your obsession, I’ve picked nothing up from Swale and was just ‘joshing’ about your anecdote, although seeing as, by your own admission, it related to just four teachers and three doctors it’s hardly representative is it?

It’s not childish to stand up for something you believe, it is however hypocritical to state that that you are not getting involved in an issue yet repeatedly reference it.

[ramAnag]

It’s not childish to stand up for something you believe, it is however hypocritical to state that that you are not getting involved in an issue yet repeatedly reference it.

Oh do behave.
No one has said it’s ‘childish to stand up for something you believe in’ and all I’ve tried to do today is steer things back on topic, not helped by your frankly daft assertions that I’m ‘living in the past’ because ‘most people have second jobs’.
They don’t…do they? That simply isn’t true no matter how much you might think it is because you’ve said it.

[Andy_Faber]

Oh do behave.
No one has said it’s ‘childish to stand up for something you believe in’ and all I’ve tried to do today is steer things back on topic, not helped by your frankly daft assertions that I’m ‘living in the past’ because ‘most people have second jobs’.
No they don’t…do they?

I don't know, where's your poof that they don't?

Being serious, of course 'most people' don't have second jobs because 'most' would include the retired and those who are unemployed by choice or otherwise. A quick poll amongst my neighbours suggests NONE of the people have second jobs, in fact as they are all retired none of them (apart from Mrs F and I) have any income apart from pensions. However, looking down my facebook messenger feed the top eleven people have two jobs/revenue streams/side hustles/call them what you will - Horse racing journalist/ad sales chaser, special needs teacher/music journalist, musician/truck driver, magazine publisher/e-bike seller, CO-OP store employee/old person carer, I won't bore you with the whole. List. Of the list, one does two jobs to make ends meet, the rest do so because they can, AND as far as I can see they don't let one job impact on the other, AND just to cover any criticism of depriving others of income, as far as I can see again, their second jobs/side hustles were worked up by them to fill a market gap and/or they don't offer an income that would suffice on its own.

The 'living in the past' comment is valid though because you seem unaware of the increasing number of younger people have second jobs/ second sources of income/'side hustles', and despite me being 'one of them' even I'm bamboozled by the variety of such activities amongst the ****/twenties/thirties who are the offspring of my family and friendship groups.

[swaledale]

It’s not childish to stand up for something you believe, it is however hypocritical to state that that you are not getting involved in an issue yet repeatedly reference it.

Mm on rather shaky ground calling somebody else a hypocrite, when being hypocritical and evasive as to your true views is your modus operandi!