Summerts not reyt

[Acido]

... I just wish they would admit that they are out of their depth and put us up for sale, test the water and see if there are any interested parties.

Now I do agree with that Shad, 1,000%!!.
We're led to believe that we don't have any other options, regarding any possible new owners. But how do we know this, without actually trying to find out, at least.
This lot aren't football people, they are business people playing a real life game of "Football manager", with our club.
And they are actually doing a bad job of it!.
The self sustainable thing is a great idea in theory, but it will not work in the long run.
And it will bring about our decline down the Lg One table, and possibly towards Lg Two (the old Division Four!). 😠

[animallittle3]

The plan rolled out by Patrick Cryne was flawed from the moment the money starting coming in .

In the early days some of the players we picked up and sold on for huge profit was tremendous , Hourihane , Mawson , Roberts and Winnall for example .

The mistake made back then was then repeated when Moore , Lindsay and Pinnock left two years later .

When Mawson was sold to Swansea for £6.5m that revenue should have kept Hourihane , Roberts and Winnall here and the squad then added to as a then decent championship squad .

At least two out of Pinnock , Lindsay or Moore should have remained out of the trio that was sold following promotion back to the championship under Daniel Stendel .

That to me was keeping our eye on the finances whilst at the same time trying to build a sustainable championship squad .

In the end we've done neither , we've sold all our best players , suffered two championship relegations and subsequently haven't a pot to pyss in .

The two championship relegations have probably cost the club £14m in lost tv revenue alone .

We never did take enough care of our championship status even when we had a squad to be reasonably competitive .

It was always about taking the money first , Connor Chaplin summed it up perfectly after he left for Ipswich Town .

[Young_Nudger]

The plan rolled out by Patrick Cryne was flawed from the moment the money starting coming in .

In the early days some of the players we picked up and sold on for huge profit was tremendous , Hourihane , Mawson , Roberts and Winnall for example .

The mistake made back then was then repeated when Moore , Lindsay and Pinnock left two years later .

When Mawson was sold to Swansea for £6.5m that revenue should have kept Hourihane , Roberts and Winnall here and the squad then added to as a then decent championship squad .

At least two out of Pinnock , Lindsay or Moore should have remained out of the trio that was sold following promotion back to the championship under Daniel Stendel .

That to me was keeping our eye on the finances whilst at the same time trying to build a sustainable championship squad .

In the end we've done neither , we've sold all our best players , suffered two championship relegations and subsequently haven't a pot to pyss in .

The two championship relegations have probably cost the club £14m in lost tv revenue alone .

We never did take enough care of our championship status even when we had a squad to be reasonably competitive .

It was always about taking the money first , Connor Chaplin summed it up perfectly after he left for Ipswich Town .

Again you are confusing Conway with Neerav.
When is this confusion going to end ???

That was then.
This is now.

[Arblasterfromthepast]

I've been saying this for a couple of years now. I believe that we have not yet seen how Parekh would like to run the club or what sort of job he would make of running the club. That's because we still have Lee and Conway as show shareholders in the club. Unfortunately, Lee and Conway do not appear to wish to sell their shares or Parekh is not prepared to pay the price that Lee and Conway are asking for their shares. This possibly results in the hiatus (Mexican stand off) that we're currently seeing which we call ‘summats not reight darn theer’. Don't forget that Parekh was the one that brought the ownership issues to the attention of the EFL. I'm guessing that he did this partly in the hope that Lee and Conway would receive harsher punishment from the EFL which may have resulted in Parekh being in a better negotiating position to buy Lee and Conway's shares.
As I've said before, I do not believe that Parekh will invest his own money until Lee and Conway are out of the business. For example, if Parekh invested a few millions on a mission to get us to the premier league then Lee and Conway would benefit from his investment in terms of the increased valuation of the club. First of all, I don’t think that Parekh would want to see Lee and Conway benefit in any way, shape or form and secondly, it would then cost Parekh a large amount of money to buy Lee and Conway out of the club due to the club’s increased value. On the other side, Lee and Conway appear to be willing to sit this one out until Parekh pays them their valuation of the club. Also, Parekh would not wish to invest such a large amount of money when he didn't have full control of his investment.
I therefore see this stand off as being responsible for the current hiatus that we have at the club and the reason why there is a lack of investment. I am not saying that Parekh is the right owner for the club but I am saying that we have currently not seen the right conditions, in terms of ownership, to be able to judge Parekh as an owner of the club ( and yes there are mistakes that have been in the last few seasons but we can’t put these solely at the door of Parekh SB ��). It could be that Parekh turns out to be a great owner or be the worst one that we've ever had, who knows. He may have personal wealth, or it could all be a smokescreen. But I believe that we will not see Parekh’s true intentions if, or until, Lee and Conway leave the club.
Time will tell, but currently Parekh’s strategy of forcing more share issues appears to be the only one that he has available now that the EFL have ruled so I don’t think that we’ll get any sudden improvement and we’ll end up waiting for a slice of luck to come along as Animal has alluded to. Who knows what form that luck will take; new signings, new owners.....
Just my opinion.

[animallittle3]

I've been saying this for a couple of years now. I believe that we have not yet seen how Parekh would like to run the club or what sort of job he would make of running the club. That's because we still have Lee and Conway as show shareholders in the club. Unfortunately, Lee and Conway do not appear to wish to sell their shares or Parekh is not prepared to pay the price that Lee and Conway are asking for their shares. This possibly results in the hiatus (Mexican stand off) that we're currently seeing which we call ‘summats not reight darn theer’. Don't forget that Parekh was the one that brought the ownership issues to the attention of the EFL. I'm guessing that he did this partly in the hope that Lee and Conway would receive harsher punishment from the EFL which may have resulted in Parekh being in a better negotiating position to buy Lee and Conway's shares.
As I've said before, I do not believe that Parekh will invest his own money until Lee and Conway are out of the business. For example, if Parekh invested a few millions on a mission to get us to the premier league then Lee and Conway would benefit from his investment in terms of the increased valuation of the club. First of all, I don’t think that Parekh would want to see Lee and Conway benefit in any way, shape or form and secondly, it would then cost Parekh a large amount of money to buy Lee and Conway out of the club due to the club’s increased value. On the other side, Lee and Conway appear to be willing to sit this one out until Parekh pays them their valuation of the club. Also, Parekh would not wish to invest such a large amount of money when he didn't have full control of his investment.
I therefore see this stand off as being responsible for the current hiatus that we have at the club and the reason why there is a lack of investment. I am not saying that Parekh is the right owner for the club but I am saying that we have currently not seen the right conditions, in terms of ownership, to be able to judge Parekh as an owner of the club ( and yes there are mistakes that have been in the last few seasons but we can’t put these solely at the door of Parekh SB ��). It could be that Parekh turns out to be a great owner or be the worst one that we've ever had, who knows. He may have personal wealth, or it could all be a smokescreen. But I believe that we will not see Parekh’s true intentions if, or until, Lee and Conway leave the club.
Time will tell, but currently Parekh’s strategy of forcing more share issues appears to be the only one that he has available now that the EFL have ruled so I don’t think that we’ll get any sudden improvement and we’ll end up waiting for a slice of luck to come along as Animal has alluded to. Who knows what form that luck will take; new signings, new owners.....
Just my opinion.

It's a fair point and couldn't be discounted Arby , problem is this Mexican stand off could potentially bring the whole business down and nobody benefits , least of all the fans who have played no part in this shenanigans .

[SBRed48]

That's a good reasoned analysis Arbs and could well be the core of the problem.

What your analysis means though is that we have a Chairman who presently has no incentive to develop the club in case it increases the value of Lee's shares.

Lee has wealth behind him of his own, not his family's or her husbands. ( Before the JAQ Defence League pile in it was her husband's Hedge Fund that invested) A few million at a Third tier club in England can just sit there with no pressure from anyone until he gets a reasonable offer--at least his money back and a little bit of lost money interest. Parekh has maxed out the Share Rights Card and there is little value left in the club to back up getting income from offering shares.

As a final note. I do not blame solely Parekh for the present situation. I think if you go back to the takeover time when most were lauding Lee I said he was a wrong 'un.

[animallittle3]

If what Arby has stated proves to be correct and the club sinks even further down the league one table , fans drift away in even more significant numbers and the financial issues become more serious then things are going to have to come to a head before the whole lot goes down the drainpipe .

The situation in my opinion needs to be put out there in the public domain , Parekh and the rest of the ownership need to be honest with the fans and everything needs to be put on the table .

Whilst this kind of open engagement isn't something the fans are going to like none the less I'm certain our fan base would rally round them and cut them the slack they are going to need .

Level with Barnsley people and you'll generally get a positive response from them , for good or bad in life .

Not only would I put out what's going on regarding Lee and Conway as the disruptive sleeping partners so to speak I'd use the compliant local media as my line of attack .

The Barnsley Chronicle , Yorkshire Post , Radio Sheffield etc , it would eventually get to Sky Sports News and could be used to damage the reputation of Lee and Conway even more than it's currently damaged , there's much to go on and you could even bring other partners in from the other clubs they've purchased too and subsequently trashed .

The publicity fallout from this tactic has many tentacles , not only does it put Lee and Conway in a bad light or worse light it also questions the EFL's judgement on allowing these two crooks to still be around football club's .

I take the point that hanging our dirty washing out in the public would potentially have a negative effect on the field but none the less I think many fans would sooner accept a period of pain which results in a positive outcome .

At the moment the club is dying a slow death with no positive outcomes in sight .

[SBRed48]

Communication between the club hierarchy and fans seems to be at an all time low at the moment, at times non-existent.

Parekh and Flatman are on mute.

Fan communication has had any life there was in it squeezed to nothing by the creation of the Fan Advisory Board, a collection of the usual people there to defend the club. Gone are the days of the raucous Fan Engagement Meetings or the Luke Goddard Garrison type gatherings. It is now reduced to a sterile group of old farts feeling important and significant.

[animallittle3]

Communication between the club hierarchy and fans seems to be at an all time low at the moment, at times non-existent.

Parekh and Flatman are on mute.

Fan communication has had any life there was in it squeezed to nothing by the creation of the Fan Advisory Board, a collection of the usual people there to defend the club. Gone are the days of the raucous Fan Engagement Meetings or the Luke Goddard Garrison type gatherings. It is now reduced to a sterile group of old farts feeling important and significant.

There's also the possibility SB that any public line of attack against Lee and Conway could potentially expose a few skeletons in the cupboard regarding the present incumbents .

It could well be that Lee and Conway potentially know where the bodies are buried .

Interesting times maybe ??

[SBRed48]

I would be happy with a simple two paragraph statement with no bullsh1t or management speak--

This is where the club is at the moment, this is what we can and cannot do about it.