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[Trickytreesreds]

Source please for you claim of 7,000 asylum seekers - your incorrect to call them illegals, as by International Law, they are not illegal until their claims have been processed.

As for the rest of your post its utter bull****.

It's in loads of places if you look for it.
You and the rear gunner never believe anything, unless the BBC and the Guardian say so. As a pair, they would sooner say nothing, than try to explain it. Thats a narrative you love.

Prime Minister Keir Starmer‘s administration has seen 6,858 migrant arrivals since taking office, increasing pressure on the government to find effective solutions. In response, the government scrapped the previous Rwanda deportation scheme and proposed a new Border Security Command aimed at improving border security and reducing dangerous crossings.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...er/ar-AA1pEj2B


Considering most of them toss their ID away.
This is a pinch of salt
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53699511

The Centre for Migration Control put the cost to taxpayers of record levels of migrant worklessness at as much as £8.5 billion a year.

Robert Bates, research director at the Centre for Migration Control, said last night: “For all the talk of a fiscal 'black hole', the Labour Government seem to be missing the glaringly obvious fact that mass migration is causing economic pandemonium.

[ramAnag]

So…going from AF’s source - neither the BBC nor the Guardian - the boat crossing figures would appear to be as follows:
2018 - 299
2019 - 1,843
2020 - 8,466
2021 - 28, 526
2022 - 45,774
2023 - 29,437
2024 - 20,644

I’m not entirely sure how reliable ‘Migration Watch’ figures are but they do raise at least two questions.
1) What do such figures say about the impact of Brexit’s ‘take back control of our borders’ policy?
2) Given that the majority of the crossings that these desperate people make take place in the theoretically calmer conditions of May to August and therefore have probably peaked for this year…how is Starmer to blame?

P.S. Robert Bates may not be quite as objective as he might like us to believe. Maybe worth checking out him and his Tufton Street connections. The grand sounding ‘Centre for Migration Control’ is just another right wing think tank.

[Andy_Faber]

So…going from AF’s source - neither the BBC nor the Guardian - the boat crossing figures would appear to be as follows:
2018 - 299
2019 - 1,843
2020 - 8,466
2021 - 28, 526
2022 - 45,774
2023 - 29,437
2024 - 20,644

I’m not entirely sure how reliable ‘Migration Watch’ figures are but they do raise at least two questions.
1) What do such figures say about the impact of Brexit’s ‘take back control of our borders’ policy?
2) Given that the majority of the crossings that these desperate people make take place in the theoretically calmer conditions of May to August and therefore have probably peaked for this year…how is Starmer to blame?

P.S. Robert Bates may not be quite as objective as he might like us to believe. Maybe worth checking out him and his Tufton Street connections. The grand sounding ‘Centre for Migration Control’ is just another right wing think tank.

1) it says it had no impact. As I’ve said (and you responded with dismay) politicians in general have got to step up many gears to stop hardened criminals from giving up on this revenue stream

2) he’s not to blame yet, I guess it was TTR who said he was

[ramAnag]

1) it says it had no impact. As I’ve said (and you responded with dismay) politicians in general have got to step up many gears to stop hardened criminals from giving up on this revenue stream

2) he’s not to blame yet, I guess it was TTR who said he was

1) I don’t recall responding with ‘dismay’ as you put it…but clearly the numbers have risen exponentially since Brexit…the exact opposite of the Brexiteer’s intention and the reasons for which I’d suggest are intelligently explained by Swale in the post immediately above.

2) Glad we agree…and yes, unsurprisingly, it was.

[Andy_Faber]

1) I don’t recall responding with ‘dismay’ as you put it…but clearly the numbers have risen exponentially since Brexit…the exact opposite of the Brexiteer’s intention and the reasons for which I’d suggest are intelligently explained by Swale in the post immediately above.

2) Glad we agree…and yes, unsurprisingly, it was.

1) I was paraphrasing you. My earlier comment compared to the drugs trade where authorities are fighting like Canute against the Aegir

2) We agree for now, not sure you're quite as open as me to reassessment, time will tell

Swales 'explanation' is factually inaccurate/misleading in a number of regards and demonstrates his bias, as does (unsuccessfully it appears, and the numbers surprised me as well as Swale) his attempt to call out TTR's boat arrivals figure. I won't go into detail on where he's wrong but it doesn't take much research

[ramAnag]

1) I was paraphrasing you. My earlier comment compared to the drugs trade where authorities are fighting like Canute against the Aegir

2) We agree for now, not sure you're quite as open as me to reassessment, time will tell

Swales 'explanation' is factually inaccurate/misleading in a number of regards and demonstrates his bias, as does (unsuccessfully it appears, and the numbers surprised me as well as Swale) his attempt to call out TTR's boat arrivals figure. I won't go into detail on where he's wrong but it doesn't take much research

Hmmm…I certainly seem infinitely more open than you to the possibility of ‘reassessment’ as far as Brexit is concerned…and seeing as we’ve just shown that it’s been utterly counterproductive as far as ‘taking back control of our borders’ is concerned and nothing more than a damned nuisance in every other respect, that would, imo, be no bad thing.

[Andy_Faber]

Hmmm…I certainly seem infinitely more open than you to the possibility of ‘reassessment’ as far as Brexit is concerned…and seeing as we’ve just shown that it’s been utterly counterproductive as far as ‘taking back control of our borders’ is concerned and nothing more than a damned nuisance in every other respect, that would, imo, be no bad thing.

Incorrect I’m open to all manner of improvements in relations with EU, pretty similar to KS if he is a man of his word, you appear to only be open to the fantasy scenario of rejoining EU. Ain’t gonna happen in our lifetimes

I presume lack of response my observation on Swale’s comment means you too are checking out their accuracy

[swaledale]

1) I was paraphrasing you. My earlier comment compared to the drugs trade where authorities are fighting like Canute against the Aegir

2) We agree for now, not sure you're quite as open as me to reassessment, time will tell

Swales 'explanation' is factually inaccurate/misleading in a number of regards and demonstrates his bias, as does (unsuccessfully it appears, and the numbers surprised me as well as Swale) his attempt to call out TTR's boat arrivals figure. I won't go into detail on where he's wrong but it doesn't take much research

I made no attempt to call out Thickys figures, I merely asked for a source. If your so confident my explanation is factually incorrect, then please provide your verification for this claim, because otherwise, as your so fond of telling me in your usual pompous manner, its just your opinion and counts for diddly squat.

[Andy_Faber]

please provide your verification for this claim.

Regarding ‘safe routes’, HMG’s mid-23 policy paper summarises (I won’t be in ultra bore and delve into the acts) pretty well, and shows that there have been, and continue to be, ‘safe routes’ under many circumstances. My guess is that those travelling ‘illegally’ do so because either they know they don’t qualify (viz Albanians in recent years, Vietnamese currently) or they can’t be bothered with the admin. But there ARE safe routes, and it’s notable that even in the Labour rush to rubbish all things Tory, these routes haven’t been widened, especially to the ‘come one come all’ hopes of the placard wavers

[Andy_Faber]

I made no attempt to call out Thickys figures, I merely asked for a source. If your so confident my explanation is factually incorrect, then please provide your verification for this claim, because otherwise, as your so fond of telling me in your usual pompous manner, its just your opinion and counts for diddly squat.

Regarding scrapping of the Returns Agreement. The outcome in terms of numbers was that U.K. was raking in more refugees than it was returning, thus increasing net immigration (albeit by minuscule numbers in any event) so why would they continue?