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[Trickytreesreds]

My point was that it’s yet another example of a complete Brexit failure. Made it harder and more expensive for ordinary U.K. folk to get around Europe. Made it more complicated to trade with Europe. Compromised security arrangements between ourselves and Europe but look at the figures for arrivals by boat…just look at what has happened here since 2019.

Also, according to the EUAA, Germany, Spain and Italy are the most common European destinations for asylum seekers while worldwide, according to Statista…Iran, Turkey, Germany (again), Pakistan and Uganda make up the top 5 with the UK coming in at 20th.

The migrant crisis is a major issue, I agree, but if it is to be solved it will be via joined up thought and policies, compassion and international cooperation, not bigoted nationalistic nonsense.

You was doing ever so well for a while.

It is NOT Brexit failure, ITS AN EU FAILURE. The EU borders have been as tight as a sieve for years. Only now are they realising they have messed up. Schengan made it worse, with travel being ever so easy and the terrorists loved it.

The demographics alone of who is coming and paying for the criminals to do so, should bother any nation.
Under 35 single men. This isn't a compassion situation at all. Its economic migration , hiding behind asylum.

I'm glad you finally accept it is now a major issue. You didn't want to for a long time. It is now the number 1 concern in the UK.
Every life lost to one of these illegals, is blood on the hands of politicians failing to do their jobs.
Why is it bigoted to want secure borders? It is horse **** like that, that has allowed this problem to explode.
You want international cooperation, better start with your EU mates.
Your country list is misleading. Iran/ Turkey/Pakistan/Uganda are the neighbouring countries of the trouble zones. Germany is only on that list, because of Merkels madness. Something the Germans now acknowledge and has see a massive swing to the right in its politics because of it.
Austria have now joined Germany in deporting back to Afghanistan, defying all the moaning from the ECHR.

If paying £6 for entry into Europe is all you can moan about, then god help you. I'd sooner know who is in and out and the country better protected. You're a well travelled man, I'm sure you have been to countries that take their border checks very seriously.

[ramAnag]

You was doing ever so well for a while.

It is NOT Brexit failure, ITS AN EU FAILURE. The EU borders have been as tight as a sieve for years. Only now are they realising they have messed up. Schengan made it worse, with travel being ever so easy and the terrorists loved it.

The demographics alone of who is coming and paying for the criminals to do so, should bother any nation.
Under 35 single men. This isn't a compassion situation at all. Its economic migration , hiding behind asylum.

I'm glad you finally accept it is now a major issue. You didn't want to for a long time. It is now the number 1 concern in the UK.
Every life lost to one of these illegals, is blood on the hands of politicians failing to do their jobs.
Why is it bigoted to want secure borders? It is horse **** like that, that has allowed this problem to explode.
You want international cooperation, better start with your EU mates.
Your country list is misleading. Iran/ Turkey/Pakistan/Uganda are the neighbouring countries of the trouble zones. Germany is only on that list, because of Merkels madness. Something the Germans now acknowledge and has see a massive swing to the right in its politics because of it.
Austria have now joined Germany in deporting back to Afghanistan, defying all the moaning from the ECHR.

If paying £6 for entry into Europe is all you can moan about, then god help you. I'd sooner know who is in and out and the country better protected. You're a well travelled man, I'm sure you have been to countries that take their border checks very seriously.

Change the record, Tricky.

1. A principle Brexit aim was to pacify those like you and tighten our borders. It self evidently hasn’t worked or, almost five years on, you wouldn’t still be moaning about it. That is another Brexit failure.

2. I’ve always accepted it’s an issue…just recognised that it’s not the number one issue and looked for a more compassionate solution.

3. It isn’t bigoted to want secure borders…it is bigoted (and much more besides) to take part in or advocate activities that place the lives of those you randomly decide you don’t want here in jeopardy.

4. Migration isn’t the ‘number 1 concern in the UK’ and you repeatedly claiming that it is time and time again won’t make it true. How do you explain Labour winning the huge majority they did less than two months ago had immigration been the number one issue?

5. I’m all in favour of appropriate border checks…I’m not in favour of UK citizens suddenly being treated like some sort of pariah at border controls throughout Europe or having to pay for a ‘visa’ to enter a continent I’ve grown up considering us all to be a valued part of.

[Andy_Faber]

1. A principle Brexit aim was to pacify those like you and tighten our borders. It self evidently hasn’t worked or, almost five years on, you wouldn’t still be moaning about it. That is another Brexit failure.

Without wanting for one moment to unite you and TTR for fear of the world ceasing to turn on its axis or some such calamity, I think you are both wrong.

You have provided no evidence that Brexit is the cause either through bad action or inaction - suggestin there's any correlation is like saying Luton Town is responsible for climate change because both have gone up in the past few years. Likewise however, TTR blaming EU. I maintain that the failure is that the UK govt(s) along with the govts of many other countries move at the speed and agility of the supertanker on Teletubbies (maybe you were teaching when teletubbies was on, believe me it was slow and cumbersome), while the 'criminal gangs' move at lightning pace when they need to in adapting their business model and 'removing obstacles'. I really don't think any humane national state stands much of a chance of avoiding pourous borders if the gangs choose to target it

[ramAnag]

You have provided no evidence that Brexit is the cause either through bad action or inaction - suggestin there's any correlation is like saying Luton Town is responsible for climate change because both have gone up in the past few years. Likewise however, TTR blaming EU. I maintain that the failure is that the UK govt(s) along with the govts of many other countries move at the speed and agility of the supertanker on Teletubbies (maybe you were teaching when teletubbies was on, believe me it was slow and cumbersome), while the 'criminal gangs' move at lightning pace when they need to in adapting their business model and 'removing obstacles'. I really don't think any humane national state stands much of a chance of avoiding pourous borders if the gangs choose to target it

I can understand your concern over organised gangsÂ…but the rest of itÂ…time for bed.

Has to be the strangest of strange analogies…while LTFC and climate change have nothing at all in common, a major Brexiteer rationale was that…Leaving the EU ‘offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders’.
Given what Migration Watch claims to have seen happen since 2019 that simple basic aim has failed completelyÂ…and we know the rest.

As for Teletubbies and supertankersÂ…no idea what youÂ’re talking aboutÂ…leave me out of it!

P.S. What’s with the Â’s?