Ot government cuts

[Brin]

I am, what?

Prisons and housing isn't an 'either or' issue.

It will take years to plan and build new prisons. I don't think the current government can be blamed for that - it's down to the one run by the party that vowed to cut taxes as a bribe in the GE.

And any new prisons will need to be staffed. From what I've heard, the prison service is struggling to recruit and retain the staff it needs to run the existing estate.

Surprised that you forgot the legal side. Nothing sinister meant by that just an observation.

As for, 'the prison service is struggling to recruit and retain the staff it needs to run the existing estate'. That is because the system is so bad and massively over populated by convicted felons, that there aren't enough staff that feel they are safe to do their job on a daily basis.

More new prisons built, thus keeping populations to the level they were built for, would be a more manageable environment. Maybe then recruitment and staff retention would be in a better state of affairs. How about deporting anyone currently serving time who's not a UK citizen, be deported forthwith, and I bet there are thousands.

[KerrAvon]

We have reciprocal arrangements with many countries in which serving prisoners are returned to their country of origin to serve their sentences and we accept British prisoners in return.

Returning prisoners without such an arrangement would be bonkers - it would amount to effectively not punishing prisoners simply because aren't British.

And there's a problem of countries simply not accepting the return of their citizens who have committed crimes in the UK. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that China and India fall into that camp.

[Brin]

We have reciprocal arrangements with many countries in which serving prisoners are returned to their country of origin to serve their sentences and we accept British prisoners in return.

Returning prisoners without such an arrangement would be bonkers - it would amount to effectively not punishing prisoners simply because aren't British.

And there's a problem of countries simply not accepting the return of their citizens who have committed crimes in the UK. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that China and India fall into that camp.

I didn't mean just send them back. I meant send them back to serve their time in their homeland prisons.

[Steve Miller]

8. A functioning criminal justice system where victims of crime and defendants don't have to wait years for cases to be heard and where there are enough prison spaces for those deemed to require remands and prison sentences.

Can't believe I forgot that one.

Fret not.. two-faced Starmer did too, when it came to the prosecution of one James Savile. Or was that another political expedient, like sacrificing 'unproductive' pensioners, for the even more unproductive train drivers, superstars of the world's most risible privatised Failway to date.

[frogmiller]

Fret not.. two-faced Starmer did too, when it came to the prosecution of one James Savile. Or was that another political expedient, like sacrificing 'unproductive' pensioners, for the even more unproductive train drivers, superstars of the world's most risible privatised Failway to date.

Don’t worry, they’ve relieved the pressure on the prison service by releasing armed robbers and other criminals today.

[KerrAvon]

Fret not.. two-faced Starmer did too, when it came to the prosecution of one James Savile. Or was that another political expedient, like sacrificing 'unproductive' pensioners, for the even more unproductive train drivers, superstars of the world's most risible privatised Failway to date.

What a load of shyte.

Perhaps you should look at the timeline of allegations against Saville, the evidence that was available prior to his death. It would be more productive than swallowing any old bollox that you came across on the Internet.

[KerrAvon]

Don’t worry, they’ve relieved the pressure on the prison service by releasing armed robbers and other criminals today.

What would you have done, Frog? Kept them in non-existent cells?

[Brin]

What a load of shyte.

Perhaps you should look at the timeline of allegations against Saville, the evidence that was available prior to his death. It would be more productive than swallowing any old bollox that you came across on the Internet.

There were far too many high profile people involved with Saville. His safety net, if you want to call it that was, 'If I go down you lot are coming with me' hence him never being challenged because those in high towers were s.hitting themselves. I bet many breathed a sigh of relief once he died.

[Brin]

What would you have done, Frog? Kept them in non-existent cells?

Again I will ask the question. not directed at you by the way Kerr, but, how many released today are foreigners and could they have been deported upon release?

[KerrAvon]

Again I will ask the question. not directed at you by the way Kerr, but, how many released today are foreigners and could they have been deported upon release?

Appreciate that it's not directed at me, but my answer is 'no idea'. Unless anyone has an advance on that, it seems to be something of a dry well as far as debate is concerned.

That being said, imprisonment is a factor that can be taken into account for deportation purposes and I have had several clients released by the prison service only to be taken into custody by the border agency for deportation.

That wouldn't have made a good story for the Express or Mail though.