Ot government cuts

[KerrAvon]

What a childish remark to use tut tut and here's me thinking that for once we had conversed well tonight. What I will say is you say you personally know someone affected By Saville, I'll have to take your word on that.

My view is p.aedophile rings have existed way before Saville and they always will because of the sick minds, even of adults of today. I firmly believe that he knew many involved in p.aeodophilia rings but the higher the subject in public life, the tighter the closeness of the ring.

Look to have some grace once in a while and respect what others may think even if you think you know different. It can make you a nicer person, give a go some time. You are not the all seeing eye in knowledge and everything in general life.

Enjoy the rest of your evening.

So inviting me to take my head out of the sand is an example of 'conversing well' and 'respecting what others may think' in your book?

I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

I also love diversity of views and opinions. I just like people to back up their views with evidence or at least a reasoned argument.

[frogmiller]

Just reading 52 labour MPS abstained in their vote on the winter fuel allowance. Only 1 MP voted against. I’m assuming that’s the correct information.
That’s a shameful bunch of cowards who really don’t give a **** about anyone but themselves.
Cowards the lot of them.

I watched the news yesterday and it reported that one Labour MP had previously voted against the government and had the whip removed for 6 months.

Starmer democracy at work. One young MP said that she would have voted against but didn’t want the same ban.

[howdydoo]

Reality's a bitch isn't it?

We can all list the things that we think society should provide. Off the top of my head, my top picks are:

1. A decent education.
2. Quality health care when it's needed.
3. Roads that aren't full of potholes.
4. Support for the less well off.
5. Armed forces that are capable of protecting the country.
6. An energy policy that provides security and begins to address climate change.
7. Rivers and seas that aren't full of untreated sh1t.

But we are willing to look at our shoes and point sideways when it comes to the taxation that's needed to pay for it. We have constantly voted for governments that make promises without any real idea of how to pay for them.

Rich people and big companies deserve tax breaks.

Read this -

Suppose that once a week, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay £1.
The sixth would pay £3.
The seventh would pay £7.
The eighth would pay £12.
The ninth would pay £18.
And the tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.　
So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every week and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until, one day, the owner caused them a little problem. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your weekly beer by £20." Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free but what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the £20windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realized that £20 divided by six is £3.33 but if they subtracted that from everybody's share then not only would the first four men still be drinking for free but the fifth and sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.　

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fairer to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage. They decided to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so, the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (a100% saving).
The sixth man now paid £2 instead of £3 (a 33% saving).
The seventh man now paid £5 instead of £7 (a 28% saving).
The eighth man now paid £9 instead of £12 (a 25% saving).
The ninth man now paid £14 instead of £18 (a 22% saving).
And the tenth man now paid £49 instead of £59 (a 16% saving).　
Each of the last six was better off than before with the first four continuing to drink for free.　

But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got £1 out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got £10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a £1 too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back, when I only got £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.　

The next week the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important - they didn't have enough money between all of them to pay for even half of the bill!　

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy and they just might not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

[howdydoo]

Read that this morning. True.

I’m off to see how the Spain residency scheme works.

[howdydoo]

Mick Lynch wants a progressive wealth tax with the richest paying the same as everyone else on PAYE, 47%.

That would bring in hundred of billions, it is time for the richest to pay what everyone else has been paying their whole lives.


Seems he has a better grasp of what’s needed than most.

[RU66]

Should be by elections at all labour constituencies who didn't represent the people who put them in. Rother Valley mine I wasn't taken in by him he's an outsider only up here to get his MP's salary.

[UlleyMiller]

Should be by elections at all labour constituencies who didn't represent the people who put them in. Rother Valley mine I wasn't taken in by him he's an outsider only up here to get his MP's salary.

He's taken a pay cut to do the job.

[Back of the net]

He's taken a pay cut to do the job.

Self serving every one of them.
It’s got to be the most untrustworthy role in the country.
They all are ok with ditching their principles to stay on the grave train.
I’ve got zero respect for any politician total contempt is how I feel about them all.
Lying is in their DNA

[UlleyMiller]

Self serving every one of them.
It’s got to be the most untrustworthy role in the country.
They all are ok with ditching their principles to stay on the grave train.
I’ve got zero respect for any politician total contempt is how I feel about them all.
Lying is in their DNA

Pretty clear position, which will save you a lot of time when people are talking about UK politics.

[ragingpup]

Self serving every one of them.
It’s got to be the most untrustworthy role in the country.
They all are ok with ditching their principles to stay on the grave train.
I’ve got zero respect for any politician total contempt is how I feel about them all.
Lying is in their DNA

Including Farage and Tice?