Prisoners party and Labour vote for cuting the winter fuel payment

[westcountryvillain]

The system is fundamentally broken, there is some talk of moving prisoners to other countries where there is capacity whilst new ones are built, seems sensible to me.

On the pensions cut, energy prices are lower than last year, and pensions are higher from the triple lock so it might not be as punitive as is being made out, nonetheless it's a cynical move by Labour and just the start.

[WBA123]

The Tory's were bad, but this Labour couldn't run a cold bath .
A lot of dangerous prisoners back on the streets

I'd love to know which party devised this prisoner release scheme.....

Hint...it wasn't Labour.

I'd also like to know which party cut the judicial system to the bone (as with everything else).

Answers on a postcard please.

[WBA123]

I've read somewhere that 25% of pensioners are millionaires. Its probably taking into account property, but still. We're giving millionaires £300 to heat their house. Is this fair?

For what its worth, I completely agree with removing the WFA from pensioners. Who are getting a huge uplift in their pensions anyway from next year.

Out of everyone who has suffered financially, pensioners have been hit the least hardest. Its time they share the burden with everyone else.

[regis80]

and if you have the time to watch and listen because you can’t read.. here is a recent video from LBC worth watching

https://youtu.be/Z173czRvUwg?si=w15cz8sqczeCQiwp

15bn tory covid contacts that have red flags. But no, you won’t watch it.. instead you’ll want to fall for their divisiveness agenda and blame migrants. £300 winter fuel payments ffs. How much does it cost to keep someone in prison for a year? £40k. Oh wait Al is about to tell us how much it costs to keep an illegal immigrant in a hotel. Missing the point as usual.

[baggieal]

I've read somewhere that 25% of pensioners are millionaires. Its probably taking into account property, but still. We're giving millionaires £300 to heat their house. Is this fair?

For what its worth, I completely agree with removing the WFA from pensioners. Who are getting a huge uplift in their pensions anyway from next year.

Out of everyone who has suffered financially, pensioners have been hit the least hardest. It’s time they share the burden with everyone else.

I do agree with you - why give pensioners £300 and they need it due to being financially comfortable. You could go further - why do the over 60’s get free prescriptions if they are still working and financially comfortable? Surely this is a waste of NHS funds? Why do financially comfortable folk get state pensions when their assets could be over let’s say 1 million? Do they need it?

Who ruined the old state grammar school system ie the 11+ entry for bright kids and introduced university fees? Hint - it was not the Tories!

[baggieal]

and if you have the time to watch and listen because you can’t read.. here is a recent video from LBC worth watching

https://youtu.be/Z173czRvUwg?si=w15cz8sqczeCQiwp

15bn tory covid contacts that have red flags. But no, you won’t watch it.. instead you’ll want to fall for their divisiveness agenda and blame migrants. £300 winter fuel payments ffs. How much does it cost to keep someone in prison for a year? £40k. Oh wait Al is about to tell us how much it costs to keep an illegal immigrant in a hotel. Missing the point as usual.

As I have said before - I have stopped caring about illegal immigrants as they will never live near me!!

[mickd1961]

The problem with our country in general is that we don’t plan properly for the future, this is true irrespective of which party holds power.

The prison system reminds me of our road network and in particular our motorway system.

I’ve been driving almost 45 years now and even back in 1979 it was busy on the roads and obvious car use was going to increase regardless of population increasing as more families became two car plus households.

The U.K. population was 56 million in 1979 and was growing at around 200,000 people a year, it now stands at around 68 to 69 million so on average it has grown at close on 300,000 per year over a 45 year period.

This isn’t rocket science Regis, why have we continued to build and repair three lane motorways, why is rail infrastructure so appalling, why wasn’t HS2 or similar built in the boom years of the 80’s and the halcyon days under Blair’s New Labour?

The same argument goes for prisons, if your population is going to grow by around 20% in a 45 year period you have a duty to do one of two things,

1/ Increase prison places by 20%

2/ Completely revamp the penal system and put the equivalent money into prevention and into support services for those who should never be anywhere near a prison.

In the news last night they interviewed an arsonist who was sentenced in January and who has been released, that must be so comforting for his victim and the neighbours.

They also interviewed a woman who’s ex husband beat her badly over a number of years and who stalked and beat his next partner whilst on a court order that was supposed to see him go nowhere near her, he’s also getting out early.

It’s not good enough by ANY of the governments of the past 50 years, every one of them is to blame.

We need to stop wasting money on foreign aid and in bad procurement and end vanity projects, the country is in a bad state of repair and preparedness for now and the future.

If needed we should risk increasing our national debt level to actually make the place function properly.

[regis80]

The problem with our country in general is that we don’t plan properly for the future, this is true irrespective of which party holds power.

The prison system reminds me of our road network and in particular our motorway system.

I’ve been driving almost 45 years now and even back in 1979 it was busy on the roads and obvious car use was going to increase regardless of population increasing as more families became two car plus households.

The U.K. population was 56 million in 1979 and was growing at around 200,000 people a year, it now stands at around 68 to 69 million so on average it has grown at close on 300,000 per year over a 45 year period.

This isn’t rocket science Regis, why have we continued to build and repair three lane motorways, why is rail infrastructure so appalling, why wasn’t HS2 or similar built in the boom years of the 80’s and the halcyon days under Blair’s New Labour?

The same argument goes for prisons, if your population is going to grow by around 20% in a 45 year period you have a duty to do one of two things,

1/ Increase prison places by 20%

2/ Completely revamp the penal system and put the equivalent money into prevention and into support services for those who should never be anywhere near a prison.

In the news last night they interviewed an arsonist who was sentenced in January and who has been released, that must be so comforting for his victim and the neighbours.

They also interviewed a woman who’s ex husband beat her badly over a number of years and who stalked and beat his next partner whilst on a court order that was supposed to see him go nowhere near her, he’s also getting out early.

It’s not good enough by ANY of the governments of the past 50 years, every one of them is to blame.

We need to stop wasting money on foreign aid and in bad procurement and end vanity projects, the country is in a bad state of repair and preparedness for now and the future.

If needed we should risk increasing our national debt level to actually make the place function properly.

Agree with what you are saying, i’m all for long term growth and future planning. We’ve just had a bunch of numpties charlatans in charge for the past 14 years - what have they got to show for? Not a single positive thing. They sold Royal Mail on the cheap, the sold Northern Rock that was generating 1-2billion a year.. why when it was earning us a return did we sell it back? It’s this sort of thinking and mindset to drive the money towards the rich which has screwed us over. And sadly it’s probably what Starmer is helping (time will tell) by not taxing the big big companies appropriately, such as Amazon. We need a foundation to build on. Was HS2 really needed though?
I witness old guy at the GP the other day trying to get help for his teeth, told that they can deal with anything dental - it was his consultant that referred him there. Bye bye NHS dental care - who f’d this one up? So much bad decision making and policies by past government(s) has screwed us over. I just remembered the positive thing the Tories left us with - Brexit.
Have a good day Mick 😂

[mickd1961]

Agree with what you are saying, i’m all for long term growth and future planning. We’ve just had a bunch of numpties charlatans in charge for the past 14 years - what have they got to show for? Not a single positive thing. They sold Royal Mail on the cheap, the sold Northern Rock that was generating 1-2billion a year.. why when it was earning us a return did we sell it back? It’s this sort of thinking and mindset to drive the money towards the rich which has screwed us over. And sadly it’s probably what Starmer is helping (time will tell) by not taxing the big big companies appropriately, such as Amazon. We need a foundation to build on. Was HS2 really needed though?
I witness old guy at the GP the other day trying to get help for his teeth, told that they can deal with anything dental - it was his consultant that referred him there. Bye bye NHS dental care - who f’d this one up? So much bad decision making and policies by past government(s) has screwed us over. I just remembered the positive thing the Tories left us with - Brexit.
Have a good day Mick 😂

😂😂😂

But Labour have been no better going back to the early 70’s Regis.

While I do agree that the Tory’s allowed too much self interest and corruption I do think it gets ignored as to how a large a number of people were looked after and funded to stay at home during Covid.

I actually thought that Boris’s government were the most Left leaning government in a long time, they absolutely hated business, ask any small to medium sized company owner what they thought of them!

[WBA123]

The problem with our country in general is that we don’t plan properly for the future, this is true irrespective of which party holds power.

The prison system reminds me of our road network and in particular our motorway system.

I’ve been driving almost 45 years now and even back in 1979 it was busy on the roads and obvious car use was going to increase regardless of population increasing as more families became two car plus households.

The U.K. population was 56 million in 1979 and was growing at around 200,000 people a year, it now stands at around 68 to 69 million so on average it has grown at close on 300,000 per year over a 45 year period.

This isn’t rocket science Regis, why have we continued to build and repair three lane motorways, why is rail infrastructure so appalling, why wasn’t HS2 or similar built in the boom years of the 80’s and the halcyon days under Blair’s New Labour?

The same argument goes for prisons, if your population is going to grow by around 20% in a 45 year period you have a duty to do one of two things,

1/ Increase prison places by 20%

2/ Completely revamp the penal system and put the equivalent money into prevention and into support services for those who should never be anywhere near a prison.

In the news last night they interviewed an arsonist who was sentenced in January and who has been released, that must be so comforting for his victim and the neighbours.

They also interviewed a woman who’s ex husband beat her badly over a number of years and who stalked and beat his next partner whilst on a court order that was supposed to see him go nowhere near her, he’s also getting out early.

It’s not good enough by ANY of the governments of the past 50 years, every one of them is to blame.

We need to stop wasting money on foreign aid and in bad procurement and end vanity projects, the country is in a bad state of repair and preparedness for now and the future.

If needed we should risk increasing our national debt level to actually make the place function properly.

You are correct in that the big issue is that politicians don't think about future generations, they think very short term - like the 3-4 years until the next election. I don't really know how to rectify that. The people who have benefited mostly from that are current pensioners btw, and the ones who have lost out are our children and future grandchildren / great grandchildren.

Surely you must give some credit to Labour for GB Energy? Of course we don't know how it will play out at the moment, but if we can start being less dependant on foreign energy sources that would be a great help to future generations.