Election Year or Fear!

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I won't answer cynically as I don't know the answer. Don't blame the child blame the parent(s) - but other then taking children into care, is there a solution? There likely isn't enough capacity in the foster/adoption system to deal with it - and most of those in IVF process want a fresh one of their own rather than a compromised "used" one.

Long term the solution has to be the education of the parents into contraception and managing childcare sensibly. But how? There are differing standards of care provision - how do you educate people that a healthy diet and avoidance of obesity means "real food" not fast food: especially when the parents themselves are of the McDonalds generation. Am I (we) guilty of imposing middle class values on this as we were lucky enough to have better.

But it will only get worse as the next generation who are comfortable taking knives to school start to breed. I feel sad for future generations who have little going on for themselves and still less to look forward to

Well you sound like my late Father, what is it about some over 60's that makes them have a blanket assumption that things in "their day" were better and the current generation is wayward/ doomed/ idle/incompetent and that the future is grim?

Is it something that affects certain people's minds, like the tendency to vote conservative or forget all the state funded education etc. etc. that our generation was in receipt of?

The next generation won't be comfortable taking knives to school. the majority aren't now. The issues of obesity affect all classes and income levels and are certainly not confined to one socio economic group.

Middle class values - mm are we imposing excessive levels of alcohol consumption on the poor then, given that the majority of "problem" drinkers, that is those who consume too much are what you would term middle class?

As for your anecdotal claims of poor people having children merely to get a larger social house and other such wheezes that they apparently get up to play the system. Yes it undoubtedly happens, though can you blame people whose lives are a struggle to survive using whatever wheeze to get by? However, its certainly not the majority and has been a "tale" going back years and generally reveals a level of looking down on those considered inferior.

Notably where are the tales of tax dodging that goes on to an extreme amount? The tales of undocumented immigrants used as staff, nannys, house keepers etc. by the very wealthy? Where are the wringing of hands over the cash in hand economy so beloved of the middle and upper classes so avoiding VAT, the self employed tax dodges etc. etc.?

Given that illegally unpaid tax vastly exceeds benefit fraud, one might think there is more to look at amongst the more well off in society?

This does smack of someone who reads rather to many papers that are filled with such nonsense, rather than an understanding of the true picture but I mean your far to intelligent to fall for blanket assumptions I'm sure.

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Well you sound like my late Father, what is it about some over 60's that makes them have a blanket assumption that things in "their day" were better and the current generation is wayward/ doomed/ idle/incompetent and that the future is grim?

Is it something that affects certain people's minds, like the tendency to vote conservative or forget all the state funded education etc. etc. that our generation was in receipt of?

The next generation won't be comfortable taking knives to school. the majority aren't now. The issues of obesity affect all classes and income levels and are certainly not confined to one socio economic group.

Middle class values - mm are we imposing excessive levels of alcohol consumption on the poor then, given that the majority of "problem" drinkers, that is those who consume too much are what you would term middle class?

As for your anecdotal claims of poor people having children merely to get a larger social house and other such wheezes that they apparently get up to play the system. Yes it undoubtedly happens, though can you blame people whose lives are a struggle to survive using whatever wheeze to get by? However, its certainly not the majority and has been a "tale" going back years and generally reveals a level of looking down on those considered inferior.

Notably where are the tales of tax dodging that goes on to an extreme amount? The tales of undocumented immigrants used as staff, nannys, house keepers etc. by the very wealthy? Where are the wringing of hands over the cash in hand economy so beloved of the middle and upper classes so avoiding VAT, the self employed tax dodges etc. etc.?

Given that illegally unpaid tax vastly exceeds benefit fraud, one might think there is more to look at amongst the more well off in society?

This does smack of someone who reads rather to many papers that are filled with such nonsense, rather than an understanding of the true picture but I mean your far to intelligent to fall for blanket assumptions I'm sure.

I mean if people had this attitude in WW", the country would have been ****ed!!