Now the dust has settled. My ten bobs worth

[toptoon]

It’s not right v left, Ian. Labour heartlands voted in Boris because they wanted Brexit done. I was hugely impressed by Labour voters for the first time in my life because they voted for democratic principle rather than ideology. The country decided by referendum and the people wanted the government to carry out what they’d been bloody well told to do by the people.
You see Unionists and Republicans marching together for a common cause in Northern Ireland too - it’s quite an eye opener.

[Nufcian]

It’s not right v left, Ian. Labour heartlands voted in Boris because they wanted Brexit done. I was hugely impressed by Labour voters for the first time in my life because they voted for democratic principle rather than ideology. The country decided by referendum and the people wanted the government to carry out what they’d been bloody well told to do by the people.
You see Unionists and Republicans marching together for a common cause in Northern Ireland too - it’s quite an eye opener.

Nope, I’m not bothering with this *******s on a football site.

See you all in October

[ex_pat_magpie]

It’s not right v left, Ian. Labour heartlands voted in Boris because they wanted Brexit done. I was hugely impressed by Labour voters for the first time in my life because they voted for democratic principle rather than ideology. The country decided by referendum and the people wanted the government to carry out what they’d been bloody well told to do by the people.
You see Unionists and Republicans marching together for a common cause in Northern Ireland too - it’s quite an eye opener.

Unfortunately far, far to late we discovered the lies upon lies that were told which persuaded most to vote for Brexit.

I for one am ashamed of myself for doing that against the arguments of my more sensible three kids.

I must point out that I wasn't influenced one iota by that stupid, misogynist, untruthful, racist, adulterous, Boris, who I totally despise.
Note that Bore-arse was an adamant remainer until he saw the personal benefits to him if he changed sides.

Michael Heseltine summed him up perfectly saying, he hides in the bushes until he sees the way the crowds are going, then runs to the front of the crowd shouting follow me.

It is also worth a mention that if a referendum was carried out today, it has been estimated that the vote would be roughly 60/40 in favour of remain.

[toptoon]

All politician lie, Pat (amply demonstrated by your new leader with the cold weather payments).

[toptoon]

I’ll go further. We’re seeing more and more evidence of a ‘divide and conquer’ strategy by the political class in many countries around the world. They’re delighted to see common folk like you and me bickering over politics while they get fat. As soon as their lifestyle benefits are threatened they close ranks, independent of political views and work together.
In Brazil, the ‘power behind the throne’ keeps giving us 2 extremes to vote between for President when we are crying out for a third, less extreme option. (You could argue it’s the same in the USA). I’m convinced it’s a ploy to divide the people and maintain their power.

We need to wake up and see that our ‘enemy’ isn’t someone with a different political view to you, it’s the political class as a whole.

[ex_pat_magpie]

I’ll go further. We’re seeing more and more evidence of a ‘divide and conquer’ strategy by the political class in many countries around the world. They’re delighted to see common folk like you and me bickering over politics while they get fat. As soon as their lifestyle benefits are threatened they close ranks, independent of political views and work together.
In Brazil, the ‘power behind the throne’ keeps giving us 2 extremes to vote between for President when we are crying out for a third, less extreme option. (You could argue it’s the same in the USA). I’m convinced it’s a ploy to divide the people and maintain their power.

We need to wake up and see that our ‘enemy’ isn’t someone with a different political view to you, it’s the political class as a whole.

I'd rather say it's the extremes of the political classes, both right wing extremists along with left wing extremists. Ones as bad as the other.

[Ragatino]

We need to wake up and see that our ‘enemy’ isn’t someone with a different political view to you, it’s the political class as a whole.

My point exactly. I voted with my feet. I left. Yes I live in a country that is less than perfect, far from it.

However, no one gets mugged in the streets here, shops don't get swarmed by masked youth and robbed blind.

There is no street violence at all. I can walk down the street, in malls anywhere I chose knowing that no one is going to attack me or even bother me.

There are no homeless people, there is no one here who isn't either working or a wife/husband or child of someone who is working and contributing to the development of the nation.

I don't see why that is such an outrageous proposition for a government and a nation to expect.

I don't like or generally engage with political threads here as I'm sick of it all TBH and this is my escape to a world for football.

The culture of a nation is not political.

Should anyone be upset with my comments, or the fact we've taken somewhat of a political turn on this one, it was not and is not my intention.

[ex_pat_magpie]

All politician lie, Pat (amply demonstrated by your new leader with the cold weather payments).

Where was the lie about the cold weather payment, unless you want to justify the likes of Mick Jagger and Cliff Richards receiving it.

[Ragatino]

You see Unionists and Republicans marching together for a common cause in Northern Ireland too - it’s quite an eye opener.

Something I genuinely thought I'd never see in my life time.