English identity?

[Andy_Faber]

Not sure about that, AF. I’ve always thought OP was shorthand for ‘Original’ or ‘Opening’ Post i.e. the post which establishes the subject of a particular thread. If I’m wrong about that so be it and I’ll apologise, but there was certainly nothing in my original/opening post of this ‘English Identity’ thread to suggest any mention of Islam.
Beyond that the first mention was made, indirectly, by Tricky in post 22 when he introduced ‘Palestine and Pakistan flags’ into the debate. That did prompt my use of the word ‘Muslim’ - you’re right - but seeing as about 92% of Palestinians and 97% of Pakistanis identify as Muslim I don’t think I can be blamed for taking the debate in that direction.

I was merely pointing out that you were incorrect, no biggie

[Geoff Parkstone]

Of course I identify as ‘English’, GP…I was born in England to English parents and, despite spending the first year of my life in Wales, I am undeniably English and have no problem with it at all. Sometimes I feel relatively proud…sometimes, as you too have intimated, not so.
Neither do I deny that religion is important, although not actually to me, I just don’t think the general decline of the CoE and the much less prolific observation of Sunday as a ‘day of rest’ has had any huge impact.

I wasn't sure but it's just that I recall some time back you saying you identified as European (it was part of the Brexit debate - but what wasnt). I may be wrong.

[ramAnag]

Ra Queuing-
Queuing is etiquette, that we can really observe back from the industrial revolution. It is a discipline that is/or was engrained in us as children. The Germans are very strict on it as well, but that is also their nature.
Ever been to the south of France? Its rudeness beyond belief.
Italy? Bedlam.
Want the worst? Try Russians.

Yes, I believe that’s true about Russians although I’ve never actually experienced it.
I also believe you’re talking utter tripe about the South of France and Italy, both of which I’ve been to many times.
As I’ve said, my travelling is largely confined to Western Europe and North America and I’ve never seen a problem with the ‘etiquette of queuing’.

[ramAnag]

I wasn't sure but it's just that I recall some time back you saying you identified as European (it was part of the Brexit debate - but what wasnt). I may be wrong.

Seriously…can’t I be both? I consider myself to be both English and European. There’s surely nothing wrong or unusual about that.

[ramAnag]

I was merely pointing out that you were incorrect, no biggie

Absolutely right, no biggie at all…but debatable that I’m ‘incorrect’. What do you think ‘OP’ stands for?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Seriously…can’t I be both? I consider myself to be both English and European. There’s surely nothing wrong or unusual about that.

I suppose, I've never considered that option personally. Certainly never considered myself European even when carrying the red passport.

[Trickytreesreds]

Being European is not an identity. It isn't a nation, but is part of the EU indoctrine, for unification for an EUSSR.
It's like a Mongolian saying he's in the same club as an Azerbaijani, or a Korean
You can say you're European like an African can.
But when you say European, do you assign yourself to the ethnicity predomiant in Europe?
When you say African, do you assign yourself to the ethnicty of majorty black African or dutch descendant in Pretoria.

NB Italians are rude with queuing, its in their culture.
Queueing – or not queueing
That of not respecting the line is a bad and rude habit some Italians still have. Some believe to be playing it smart by trying to overtake a long line of people, but this cannot certainly be considered the right thing to do. In fact, this custom is frowned upon by tourists and Italians alike. Unfortunately, many people are still doing it, forking out the usual excuse: “Sorry, I am in a hurry”!

[ramAnag]

Being European is not an identity. It isn't a nation, but is part of the EU indoctrine, for unification for an EUSSR.
It's like a Mongolian saying he's in the same club as an Azerbaijani, or a Korean
You can say you're European like an African can.
But when you say European, do you assign yourself to the ethnicity predomiant in Europe?
When you say African, do you assign yourself to the ethnicty of majorty black African or dutch descendant in Pretoria.

NB Italians are rude with queuing, its in their culture.
Queueing – or not queueing
That of not respecting the line is a bad and rude habit some Italians still have. Some believe to be playing it smart by trying to overtake a long line of people, but this cannot certainly be considered the right thing to do. In fact, this custom is frowned upon by tourists and Italians alike. Unfortunately, many people are still doing it, forking out the usual excuse: “Sorry, I am in a hurry”!

Absolute garbage. I am a European…I am also English and England is part of the UK which, in turn, is part of the continent of Europe.
I’m not talking about in a political sense and your tiresome EUSSR stuff…fact is, I am European - Northern European to be more precise - as are you.

No point in arguing about it, our experiences are clearly different, but I have never found Italians - or those from the South of France - to be rude when queuing. ‘Mad’ when driving, especially in Rome and Trieste, I’ll agree with…but in my experience…not rude.

N.B. ‘That of not respecting the line is a bad and rude habit SOME Italians still have’. I don’t doubt it…it’s a bad and rude habit SOME from Derbyshire and Nottingham to Delaware and New York ‘still have’…but it’s not, in my experience, an Italian characteristic. You’ve even defeated your own argument by adding that it’s ’frowned on by tourists AND ITALIANS alike’. Make your mind up.

[macstheman]

I don't know what you lot are rabbiting on about, there's one easy way to define whether or not someone is English................ whatever the latest disaster, mass killing, plague or invasion from the planet Zod is occurring on meeting the said person if they're English they'll provide you with an updated weather report!
You know... 'hello there, not seen you lately, isn't it a nice day, weather man says we're in for a few warm days' Yep, they're English!

[SithHappens]

I don't know either but perhaps it wil help if we all have a cup of tea