Is it just me....

[Trickytreesreds]

So there you have it. Mac doesn’t object to the political threads at all and, judging by the amount he contributes to them, neither does MA. All they both, very reasonably, object to is the tiresome and sometimes offensive name calling.

Essentially, as I see it, there are two camps…one broadly on the Right comprising Tricky, yourself and GP (when he makes his mind up and isn’t just mischief making) and one broadly centre Left…made up of Swale, myself, MA with more occasional input from Sith and mac. Sorry if I’ve forgotten anyone or misinterpreted their political stances.

Of all those individuals I would argue that Tricky, Swale and yourself cause the most ‘upset’. Tricky because of the nature and content of his posts, Swale because he takes understandable exception to Tricky’s far right sympathies and becomes enraged too easily before resorting to language that some find unacceptable and you because you frequently go out of your way to wind up others, Swale in particular, and - as you have admitted - are far from shy when it comes to name calling.

We all have our faults, mine probably being having too much to say and not being good at letting things go, but, imo…the problem isn’t having a wide range of threads - including political ones - it’s: a) The posting of inflammatory, offensive and untrue comments. b) The reaction to such comments with language that is also sometimes offensive and c) Your desire to push an agenda which goes beyond your essential basic role of sanctioning those who transgress a&b above without ‘joining in’ and exacerbating the situation.

Oh I'm far right am I? If I am far right, you are way further left than you portray yourself. Your incessent hared for anything Tory betrays that. Anything a right wing party says or does, you are all over it in a flash. Anything the current regime does (and it includes plenty of left wing ideology) you igmore. If you was truly centre ground, you would call out every infair decision going, but you don't.

For your knowledge.

Far-right politics, or right-wing extremism, is a spectrum of political thought that tends to be radically conservative, ultra-nationalist, and authoritarian, often also including nativist tendencies.[1] The name derives from the left–right political spectrum, with the "far right" considered further from center than the standard political right.

Historically, "far-right politics" has been used to describe the experiences of fascism, Nazism, and Falangism. Contemporary definitions now include neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, the Third Position, the alt-right, racial supremacism and other ideologies or organizations that feature aspects of authoritarian, ultra-nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, ***ist, homophobic, transphobic, or reactionary views.[2]

Far-right politics have led to oppression, political violence, forced assimilation, ethnic cleansing, and genocide against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority or their perceived threat to the native ethnic group, nation, state, national religion, dominant culture, or conservative social institutions.[3]

[ramAnag]

Oh I'm far right am I? If I am far right, you are way further left than you portray yourself. Your incessent hared for anything Tory betrays that. Anything a right wing party says or does, you are all over it in a flash. Anything the current regime does (and it includes plenty of left wing ideology) you igmore. If you was truly centre ground, you would call out every infair decision going, but you don't.

For your knowledge.

Far-right politics, or right-wing extremism, is a spectrum of political thought that tends to be radically conservative, ultra-nationalist, and authoritarian, often also including nativist tendencies.[1] The name derives from the left–right political spectrum, with the "far right" considered further from center than the standard political right.

Historically, "far-right politics" has been used to describe the experiences of fascism, Nazism, and Falangism. Contemporary definitions now include neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, the Third Position, the alt-right, racial supremacism and other ideologies or organizations that feature aspects of authoritarian, ultra-nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, ***ist, homophobic, transphobic, or reactionary views.[2]

Far-right politics have led to oppression, political violence, forced assimilation, ethnic cleansing, and genocide against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority or their perceived threat to the native ethnic group, nation, state, national religion, dominant culture, or conservative social institutions.[3]

If we’re going to move forward there’s little point in you just posting the exact opposite of what I write eg…well if I’m far right, you’re further left…blah, blah, blah. It’s playground stuff and is what people, I think, want rid of.

Fact is you repeatedly declare, as is your right (no pun intended), your support for Trump, Farage, GBNews, UKIP, ReformUK, Tommy Robinson etc. You are opposed to immigration, show contempt for those desperate enough to arrive by boat, have a dislike of all things Muslim/Islam, show a mistrust of multiculturalism and generally display a desire to return to more jingoistic bygone days. That makes you further to the Right than anyone else on here, imo.

Obviously I think you’re wrong but recognise your right to support such ‘causes’. What, I think, you should recognise is that some of your views are objectionable to those of us who have moved on to embrace many aspects of ‘diversity’ and multiculturalism. I’ll argue/debate with you, but not with all the right wing sites you rely on to make your point and not in the facile ‘tit for tat’ style you’ve already introduced today.

[Trickytreesreds]

If we’re going to move forward there’s little point in you just posting the exact opposite of what I write eg…well if I’m far right, you’re further left…blah, blah, blah. It’s playground stuff and is what people, I think, want rid of.

Fact is you repeatedly declare, as is your right (no pun intended), your support for Trump, Farage, GBNews, UKIP, ReformUK, Tommy Robinson etc. You are opposed to immigration, show contempt for those desperate enough to arrive by boat, have a dislike of all things Muslim/Islam, show a mistrust of multiculturalism and generally display a desire to return to more jingoistic bygone days. That makes you further to the Right than anyone else on here, imo.

Obviously I think you’re wrong but recognise your right to support such ‘causes’. What, I think, you should recognise is that some of your views are objectionable to those of us who have moved on to embrace many aspects of ‘diversity’ and multiculturalism. I’ll argue/debate with you, but not with all the right wing sites you rely on to make your point and not in the facile ‘tit for tat’ style you’ve already introduced today.

More guff and unfounded.
But I will correct them.

1. I am right wing. Far right would have me a member of the BNP, Or NF type organisation. I do not support Trump, but neither do I support Biden either, Both have many good bad points. Both are deluded clowns, but in reality just puppets.
2.Farage, granted. Because he gives a platform that many of us never get. Like it or lump it, 4 000 000 voted for him and its still going up.
3.GB NEWS, I am willing to watch it as I would any other. The one thing I will say about it, they will report on thi,ngs the others are either scared of, or because it goes against their narrative don't. The give every side the chance to argue their point of view. Something BBC will not allow
4. Tommy Robinson? Again more made up ****e. i don't have to agree with Tommy Robinson. But as a citizen of the UK he is entitled to his opinion as much as you are. It has also singled him out for some real underserved harrassment by the establishment, as well as stuff he does deserve. Has he been wrong on radicalising mosques and grooming gangs though? He was the first to raise the issues. He goes about it all wrong though.
5. I do not like Islam, not Muslims. Why should I? It persecutes gays/trans/apostates/non believers/ incites terrorism and treats women as second class citizens. If you are not concerned by that, then god help you. It brings conflict in any nation not dominated by Islam. You love portraying yourself as an equalities champion and yet here you are, ignoring the very things you hate under your nose.
6. Multiculturism IS a failed concept. IT ONLY WORKS, when everyone integrates together, follows the same laws amd ideals. The UK is a long way from that, whether you like it or not. MP's now getting elected on Palestine issues and wanting things like Shariah here.
7. Immigration? I am not opposed to immigration and never have been, so stop lying. I am against unregulated and flood tactics immigration. It doesn't work, causes problems in everything from housing/ health care/ services/ wages/tax payer drains/ quality of life.

Your denile of the problems in todays society are part of the problem. You are right up there with the elite, who don't find themselves on the receiving end of the problems . Thus think ignoring it is fine, and calling everyone who does is a racist/xenophobe/ bigot/ little englander/ Nazi.

Right wing yes, far right no.
Get it right.

[ramAnag]

More guff and unfounded.
But I will correct them.

1. I am right wing. Far right would have me a member of the BNP, Or NF type organisation. I do not support Trump, but neither do I support Biden either, Both have many good bad points. Both are deluded clowns, but in reality just puppets.
2.Farage, granted. Because he gives a platform that many of us never get. Like it or lump it, 4 000 000 voted for him and its still going up.
3.GB NEWS, I am willing to watch it as I would any other. The one thing I will say about it, they will report on thi,ngs the others are either scared of, or because it goes against their narrative don't. The give every side the chance to argue their point of view. Something BBC will not allow
4. Tommy Robinson? Again more made up ****e. i don't have to agree with Tommy Robinson. But as a citizen of the UK he is entitled to his opinion as much as you are. It has also singled him out for some real underserved harrassment by the establishment, as well as stuff he does deserve. Has he been wrong on radicalising mosques and grooming gangs though? He was the first to raise the issues. He goes about it all wrong though.
5. I do not like Islam, not Muslims. Why should I? It persecutes gays/trans/apostates/non believers/ incites terrorism and treats women as second class citizens. If you are not concerned by that, then god help you. It brings conflict in any nation not dominated by Islam. You love portraying yourself as an equalities champion and yet here you are, ignoring the very things you hate under your nose.
6. Multiculturism IS a failed concept. IT ONLY WORKS, when everyone integrates together, follows the same laws amd ideals. The UK is a long way from that, whether you like it or not. MP's now getting elected on Palestine issues and wanting things like Shariah here.
7. Immigration? I am not opposed to immigration and never have been, so stop lying. I am against unregulated and flood tactics immigration. It doesn't work, causes problems in everything from housing/ health care/ services/ wages/tax payer drains/ quality of life.

Your denile of the problems in todays society are part of the problem. You are right up there with the elite, who don't find themselves on the receiving end of the problems . Thus think ignoring it is fine, and calling everyone who does is a racist/xenophobe/ bigot/ little englander/ Nazi.

Right wing yes, far right no.
Get it right.

Hmmm…okay…you are what you are, but as I said I have no interest in ‘facile tit for tat’. For clarification…I haven’t called you a racist/xenophobe/little Englander or Nazi…oh and it’s Harris standing against Trump, not Biden…but there seems little point in continuing.

[Andy_Faber]

Hmmm…okay…you are what you are, but as I said I have no interest in ‘facile tit for tat’. For clarification…I haven’t called you a racist/xenophobe/little Englander or Nazi…oh and it’s Harris standing against Trump, not Biden…but there seems little point in continuing.

Just a ****y weeny point rA and maybe it’s a change in your modus operandum rather that hypocrisy: when I’ve called a halt to a discussion, and ‘there seems little point in continuing’ feels a lot like that, you’ve treated such comment as an admission by me that you were right. Does this suggest you think Tricky is right? He certainly makes assertions that deserve to be at least challenged

[ramAnag]

Just a ****y weeny point rA and maybe it’s a change in your modus operandum rather that hypocrisy: when I’ve called a halt to a discussion, and ‘there seems little point in continuing’ feels a lot like that, you’ve treated such comment as an admission by me that you were right. Does this suggest you think Tricky is right? He certainly makes assertions that deserve to be at least challenged

Really? Prior to today I don’t think I’ve communicated with Tricky for over a week. It’s increasingly pointless…what for instance is the point of debating with someone who says they don’t support Tommy Robinson and then spends four sentences defending him?
So…certainly not ‘hypocrisy’ and, equally certainly, I don’t think ‘Tricky is right’. Far from it…tbh I think he talks divisive bollux and belongs to a different era but, in the spirit of avoiding repetitive confrontation, I’m just walking away.