Is it just me....

[ramAnag]

Regarding the 'political' threads, not true that I've been keen to get rid of them, I find it bizarre that folk want to use a footy forum to spout off about their political views but if they do then fair go. This is the only forum where I share my opinions by the way, and I'm not entirely sure why but I think its because of how the forum is laid out. One thing that I do object to is the hijacking of non-political threads with political asides/comments, chief culprit here over the past few years being yourself.

Regarding my 'leaning', fair enough if that's what you see, I think too often you fall in line with Swale's unavoidably kneejerk rejection of any opinion I have rather than take time to actually think about the opinion I've offered

As far as I'm aware, I do uphold a set of evenly applied rules. Until recently such rules were pretty 'laissez faire' (but still applied evenly), after a bit of a grumble (including by you) I just tightened them up a bit. One of those recently applied more actively was that of name-calling, and that decision came after you and only you had made a fuss about it. I found it strange that when I applied some control in that area it was you that objected

One thing I think you might be missing, or a trap that you are falling into, is that you only seem (on this forum) to regard 'diversity' as a race/colour issue and ignoring things such as neurodiversity. There's a particular line of unpleasant argument on the political threads that goes along the line of anyone disagreeing with a poster's opinion being of low intellect (in all its many forms and with all its many put-downs). Have you not considered that calling some a demeaning name of that nature (lets say 'thick') might impact someone, even if not the person it was aimed at, as much as calling a black person a 'w*g'?. Surely as someone coming from an education background you must be aware of the collateral impact of such name-calling? Maybe not but I'd hope so. I touched on this in a thread a while ago but as ever it got swallowed up in the right/left bunfight

I seem to remember you suggesting you wanted to remove the Brexit thread shortly after taking over. If I’m wrong I apologise. You seem to regularly have a bee in your bonnet about the political threads in general. Again if I’m wrong…so be it, but I’d dispute your claim about me hijacking non political threads with political comments other than occasionally in the most light hearted manner. As regards making a ‘fuss’ over name calling…when did I (and only me) do that?

Don’t ‘get’ the second paragraph. I agree with much of Swale’s politics…not about to apologise for that. I don’t believe either he or I display ‘knee jerk’ reactions.

I imagine you’re referring to Tricky being sometimes known as ‘Thicky’ which is not something I call him, but is just an obvious nickname based on the ‘title’ he chose for himself. I’m well aware of how calling someone a ‘demeaning name’ can impact upon them but I doubt TTR loses much sleep over having one letter of his forum name changed occasionally by one poster.

P.S. One thing I have mentioned is these ‘Â’s. Have to type everything twice at the moment. Can’t you sort that please?

[Trickytreesreds]

If we’re going to move forward there’s little point in you just posting the exact opposite of what I write eg…well if I’m far right, you’re further left…blah, blah, blah. It’s playground stuff and is what people, I think, want rid of.

Fact is you repeatedly declare, as is your right (no pun intended), your support for Trump, Farage, GBNews, UKIP, ReformUK, Tommy Robinson etc. You are opposed to immigration, show contempt for those desperate enough to arrive by boat, have a dislike of all things Muslim/Islam, show a mistrust of multiculturalism and generally display a desire to return to more jingoistic bygone days. That makes you further to the Right than anyone else on here, imo.

Obviously I think you’re wrong but recognise your right to support such ‘causes’. What, I think, you should recognise is that some of your views are objectionable to those of us who have moved on to embrace many aspects of ‘diversity’ and multiculturalism. I’ll argue/debate with you, but not with all the right wing sites you rely on to make your point and not in the facile ‘tit for tat’ style you’ve already introduced today.

More guff and unfounded.
But I will correct them.

1. I am right wing. Far right would have me a member of the BNP, Or NF type organisation. I do not support Trump, but neither do I support Biden either, Both have many good bad points. Both are deluded clowns, but in reality just puppets.
2.Farage, granted. Because he gives a platform that many of us never get. Like it or lump it, 4 000 000 voted for him and its still going up.
3.GB NEWS, I am willing to watch it as I would any other. The one thing I will say about it, they will report on thi,ngs the others are either scared of, or because it goes against their narrative don't. The give every side the chance to argue their point of view. Something BBC will not allow
4. Tommy Robinson? Again more made up ****e. i don't have to agree with Tommy Robinson. But as a citizen of the UK he is entitled to his opinion as much as you are. It has also singled him out for some real underserved harrassment by the establishment, as well as stuff he does deserve. Has he been wrong on radicalising mosques and grooming gangs though? He was the first to raise the issues. He goes about it all wrong though.
5. I do not like Islam, not Muslims. Why should I? It persecutes gays/trans/apostates/non believers/ incites terrorism and treats women as second class citizens. If you are not concerned by that, then god help you. It brings conflict in any nation not dominated by Islam. You love portraying yourself as an equalities champion and yet here you are, ignoring the very things you hate under your nose.
6. Multiculturism IS a failed concept. IT ONLY WORKS, when everyone integrates together, follows the same laws amd ideals. The UK is a long way from that, whether you like it or not. MP's now getting elected on Palestine issues and wanting things like Shariah here.
7. Immigration? I am not opposed to immigration and never have been, so stop lying. I am against unregulated and flood tactics immigration. It doesn't work, causes problems in everything from housing/ health care/ services/ wages/tax payer drains/ quality of life.

Your denile of the problems in todays society are part of the problem. You are right up there with the elite, who don't find themselves on the receiving end of the problems . Thus think ignoring it is fine, and calling everyone who does is a racist/xenophobe/ bigot/ little englander/ Nazi.

Right wing yes, far right no.
Get it right.

[ramAnag]

More guff and unfounded.
But I will correct them.

1. I am right wing. Far right would have me a member of the BNP, Or NF type organisation. I do not support Trump, but neither do I support Biden either, Both have many good bad points. Both are deluded clowns, but in reality just puppets.
2.Farage, granted. Because he gives a platform that many of us never get. Like it or lump it, 4 000 000 voted for him and its still going up.
3.GB NEWS, I am willing to watch it as I would any other. The one thing I will say about it, they will report on thi,ngs the others are either scared of, or because it goes against their narrative don't. The give every side the chance to argue their point of view. Something BBC will not allow
4. Tommy Robinson? Again more made up ****e. i don't have to agree with Tommy Robinson. But as a citizen of the UK he is entitled to his opinion as much as you are. It has also singled him out for some real underserved harrassment by the establishment, as well as stuff he does deserve. Has he been wrong on radicalising mosques and grooming gangs though? He was the first to raise the issues. He goes about it all wrong though.
5. I do not like Islam, not Muslims. Why should I? It persecutes gays/trans/apostates/non believers/ incites terrorism and treats women as second class citizens. If you are not concerned by that, then god help you. It brings conflict in any nation not dominated by Islam. You love portraying yourself as an equalities champion and yet here you are, ignoring the very things you hate under your nose.
6. Multiculturism IS a failed concept. IT ONLY WORKS, when everyone integrates together, follows the same laws amd ideals. The UK is a long way from that, whether you like it or not. MP's now getting elected on Palestine issues and wanting things like Shariah here.
7. Immigration? I am not opposed to immigration and never have been, so stop lying. I am against unregulated and flood tactics immigration. It doesn't work, causes problems in everything from housing/ health care/ services/ wages/tax payer drains/ quality of life.

Your denile of the problems in todays society are part of the problem. You are right up there with the elite, who don't find themselves on the receiving end of the problems . Thus think ignoring it is fine, and calling everyone who does is a racist/xenophobe/ bigot/ little englander/ Nazi.

Right wing yes, far right no.
Get it right.

Hmmm…okay…you are what you are, but as I said I have no interest in ‘facile tit for tat’. For clarification…I haven’t called you a racist/xenophobe/little Englander or Nazi…oh and it’s Harris standing against Trump, not Biden…but there seems little point in continuing.

[Andy_Faber]

Hmmm…okay…you are what you are, but as I said I have no interest in ‘facile tit for tat’. For clarification…I haven’t called you a racist/xenophobe/little Englander or Nazi…oh and it’s Harris standing against Trump, not Biden…but there seems little point in continuing.

Just a ****y weeny point rA and maybe it’s a change in your modus operandum rather that hypocrisy: when I’ve called a halt to a discussion, and ‘there seems little point in continuing’ feels a lot like that, you’ve treated such comment as an admission by me that you were right. Does this suggest you think Tricky is right? He certainly makes assertions that deserve to be at least challenged

[ramAnag]

Just a ****y weeny point rA and maybe it’s a change in your modus operandum rather that hypocrisy: when I’ve called a halt to a discussion, and ‘there seems little point in continuing’ feels a lot like that, you’ve treated such comment as an admission by me that you were right. Does this suggest you think Tricky is right? He certainly makes assertions that deserve to be at least challenged

Really? Prior to today I don’t think I’ve communicated with Tricky for over a week. It’s increasingly pointless…what for instance is the point of debating with someone who says they don’t support Tommy Robinson and then spends four sentences defending him?
So…certainly not ‘hypocrisy’ and, equally certainly, I don’t think ‘Tricky is right’. Far from it…tbh I think he talks divisive bollux and belongs to a different era but, in the spirit of avoiding repetitive confrontation, I’m just walking away.

[Andy_Faber]

in the spirit of avoiding repetitive confrontation, I’m just walking away.

So I’m expecting that when I say I’m walking away from spats in future, you treat it in the same spirit, and you won’t treat my withdrawal as an admission of defeat. That will reduce follow up toing and froing and save a lot of frustration on the part of other forum members

[ramAnag]

So I’m expecting that when I say I’m walking away from spats in future, you treat it in the same spirit, and you won’t treat my withdrawal as an admission of defeat. That will reduce follow up toing and froing and save a lot of frustration on the part of other forum members

I wasn’t aware that I did treat it as an ‘admission of defeat’…more a case of you exiting a debate prematurely for whatever reason. Does that cause frustration ‘on the part of other forum members’? I wouldn’t know.

[swaledale]

So I’m expecting that when I say I’m walking away from spats in future, you treat it in the same spirit, and you won’t treat my withdrawal as an admission of defeat. That will reduce follow up toing and froing and save a lot of frustration on the part of other forum members

You have a habit of going very quiet whenever challenged with demonstrable facts or when one of your infamous anecdotal proof of concept has been demolished.

I do agree with your comment on name calling and mental health, however, you've picked the wrong person to defend in our "Red Friend" he was infamous for his nasty name calling and threats over on the now dormant Red Dog Forum and has uses many offensive slurs on here. You may not be aware of the former but as a Mod you should be aware of what he has posted on he, but then maybe its down to the fact you have sympathy with what he posts, certainly your opinions would lead any reasonable person to think so.

As for the sobriquet I have given him, I mean if one posts false statements, contradicts oneself and repeats the utter bilge pumped out by the right wing media, politicians and grifters on the internet who should know better, then it seems very appropriate. He is dumb all over, maybe when he can demonstrate he has actually considered the facts, rather than paroting some obvious lies I might reconsider.

[macstheman]

Mmmmm, the future of this forum thread has elicited 48ish posts which is interesting whilst everybody now seems to be retreating to their well stated positions perhaps a twitchy peace will ensue whilst the armoury is re-stocked!
Ah well, at least theirs a footie match coming up and we can have the benefit of MA's excellent reports! Meanwhile I'm doing a good line in olive branches...... anyone??

[ramAnag]

You have a habit of going very quiet whenever challenged with demonstrable facts or when one of your infamous anecdotal proof of concept has been demolished.

I do agree with your comment on name calling and mental health, however, you've picked the wrong person to defend in our "Red Friend" he was infamous for his nasty name calling and threats over on the now dormant Red Dog Forum and has uses many offensive slurs on here. You may not be aware of the former but as a Mod you should be aware of what he has posted on he, but then maybe its down to the fact you have sympathy with what he posts, certainly your opinions would lead any reasonable person to think so.

As for the sobriquet I have given him, I mean if one posts false statements, contradicts oneself and repeats the utter bilge pumped out by the right wing media, politicians and grifters on the internet who should know better, then it seems very appropriate. He is dumb all over, maybe when he can demonstrate he has actually considered the facts, rather than paroting some obvious lies I might reconsider.

Again for the sake of clarification…had we still got the ‘like button’ - which would probably reduce the need for repetitive argument - the above would have earned a ‘click’ from me.