Wrexham Post Match Thoughts

[Derbymiller]

No idea. He was sat behind me all game on his own. Jch green and raggett sat on the other side. Looks like he's a square peg. Which will effect his training performance which will get him sent back to forest in January and probably loaned out to somewhere like Lincoln for him the smash in 10 goals ... Seems to happen a lot under old and new Evans rule

I have said before the way we manage young players we have on loan is very poor, if Evans thinks Hugill deserves to play in front of this lad at the moment he is delusional. As for where he sits perhaps he doesn't want to sit in the hospital ward of Rotherham United

[Brin]

I have said before the way we manage young players we have on loan is very poor, if Evans thinks Hugill deserves to play in front of this lad at the moment he is delusional. As for where he sits perhaps he doesn't want to sit in the hospital ward of Rotherham United

Derbs, if Evans is looking to get rid of Hugill come January, then he's got to play him hoping he scores the odd goal that might attract other clubs to take him on. I get your point about Osong but having seen him play, he looks the part with his physique but I see little else in the finished product.

[Derbymiller]

Derbs, if Evans is looking to get rid of Hugill come January, then he's got to play him hoping he scores the odd goal that might attract other clubs to take him on. I get your point about Osong but having seen him play, he looks the part with his physique but I see little else in the finished product.

Brin I understand your point but I don't agree. It is his agents job to look after Hugills not Evans, the football world will know all about Hugill and won't make a decision based on whether he scores a couple of goals for us, it will be a much more rounded view and also with a huge amount of discussion with his agent and the player if allowed.

As for Osong he has played one game and scored, how many goals has Holmes or Hungbo scored? The lad comes from a highly rated academy and is very well thought of, he is a young man away from his parent club, such players need to be managed differently to get the best out of them. We have an awful track record of dealing with young loaned players. This is a big issue, when you damage the relationship with these academies and clubs that reduces your options going forward, do you think Arsenal will send us another player after the Norton-Cuffy situation.

Evans job is to win football matches, at the moment we have lost more than we have won, we have 14 points from 12 games that is 54 points over a season which in the last 4 years would have been 17th, 16th, 16th, 17th. Do you think that will be seen as success by TS this season, especially as Evans has told us we will be challenging for promotion? We have seen nothing from Hugill in a season and a quarter that makes him worth a shirt, the fake head/leg injury yesterday was the last straw.

Cayton says Osong sits on his own, why? The club captain is sat behind him, why isn't he taking the lad under his arm and getting him to sit with them, why is it the lads fault? Now he might get 3 or 4 games or good run outs and fail, but he deserves the chance and not to be judged on 5 minutes here and 1 minute at Peterborough. I am sorry for sticking up for the lad, but history shows us that the issue with young players is the club and not the players.

[Brin]

Brin I understand your point but I don't agree. It is his agents job to look after Hugills not Evans, the football world will know all about Hugill and won't make a decision based on whether he scores a couple of goals for us, it will be a much more rounded view and also with a huge amount of discussion with his agent and the player if allowed.

As for Osong he has played one game and scored, how many goals has Holmes or Hungbo scored? The lad comes from a highly rated academy and is very well thought of, he is a young man away from his parent club, such players need to be managed differently to get the best out of them. We have an awful track record of dealing with young loaned players. This is a big issue, when you damage the relationship with these academies and clubs that reduces your options going forward, do you think Arsenal will send us another player after the Norton-Cuffy situation.

Evans job is to win football matches, at the moment we have lost more than we have won, we have 14 points from 12 games that is 54 points over a season which in the last 4 years would have been 17th, 16th, 16th, 17th. Do you think that will be seen as success by TS this season, especially as Evans has told us we will be challenging for promotion? We have seen nothing from Hugill in a season and a quarter that makes him worth a shirt, the fake head/leg injury yesterday was the last straw.

Cayton says Osong sits on his own, why? The club captain is sat behind him, why isn't he taking the lad under his arm and getting him to sit with them, why is it the lads fault? Now he might get 3 or 4 games or good run outs and fail, but he deserves the chance and not to be judged on 5 minutes here and 1 minute at Peterborough. I am sorry for sticking up for the lad, but history shows us that the issue with young players is the club and not the players.

Derbs, for the record I respect your points but we do differ slightly.

Brin I understand your point but I don't agree. It is his agents job to look after Hugills not Evans, the football world will know all about Hugill and won't make a decision based on whether he scores a couple of goals for us, it will be a much more rounded view and also with a huge amount of discussion with his agent and the player if allowed - I think with his current return and antics, the club would probably love Hugill to ask to leave. His wage alone would be a large burden lifted and could be used to probably bring two players in.

As for Osong he has played one game and scored, how many goals has Holmes or Hungbo scored? The lad comes from a highly rated academy and is very well thought of, he is a young man away from his parent club, such players need to be managed differently to get the best out of them. We have an awful track record of dealing with young loaned players. This is a big issue, when you damage the relationship with these academies and clubs that reduces your options going forward, do you think Arsenal will send us another player after the Norton-Cuffy situation.

I think you've got yourself confused here pal. Neither Holmes or Hungbo are centre forwards but play out on the wing, hence why they were brought on yesterday, albeit too late for my liking. As for Osong, he's played one full game against Newcastle's U21 side and yes he scored. He has also come off the subs bench 6 times and played approx 49 mins. I agree maybe he could have been used more but only Evans knows why he's played so little time.

As for damaging relationships with other clubs, yes this can be a dangerous practice if we don't use loanees more but, we don't see how Osong applies himself in training and Evans/Raynor do. Is there something that stops him from starting a game via his effort/application during training sessions? As for comparing Hugill's efforts of late, I'm in agreement, use the lad more and let Hugill sit it out for a change. You never know, it might induce Hugill to call his agent and ask for a move.



Evans job is to win football matches, at the moment we have lost more than we have won, we have 14 points from 12 games that is 54 points over a season which in the last 4 years would have been 17th, 16th, 16th, 17th. Do you think that will be seen as success by TS this season, especially as Evans has told us we will be challenging for promotion? We have seen nothing from Hugill in a season and a quarter that makes him worth a shirt, the fake head/leg injury yesterday was the last straw.
No that won't be seen as a success, however, the season end is along way off so it's hard to speculate we may finish 16th/17th. Yes, I agree about Hugill's antics yesterday. One minute he's writhing in agony next he's up and about, you have to question that? For me he was like Eaves, very little end product but, and don't laugh, there is a player in there somewhere.

Cayton says Osong sits on his own, why? The club captain is sat behind him, why isn't he taking the lad under his arm and getting him to sit with them, why is it the lads fault? Now he might get 3 or 4 games or good run outs and fail, but he deserves the chance and not to be judged on 5 minutes here and 1 minute at Peterborough. I am sorry for sticking up for the lad, but history shows us that the issue with young players is the club and not the players

Can't comment on why he chooses to sit alone but you've got to admit, it's a strange one. Has any other of the players sat and talked to him? Invited him to sit with them? Has he told anyone he prefers to sit alone? On his future appearances, we saw yesterday that Evans preferred to leave Hugill on the bench and Osong wasn't even picked to make the bench, so, is he injured?

[Derbymiller]

Derbs, for the record I respect your points but we do differ slightly.

Brin I understand your point but I don't agree. It is his agents job to look after Hugills not Evans, the football world will know all about Hugill and won't make a decision based on whether he scores a couple of goals for us, it will be a much more rounded view and also with a huge amount of discussion with his agent and the player if allowed - I think with his current return and antics, the club would probably love Hugill to ask to leave. His wage alone would be a large burden lifted and could be used to probably bring two players in.

As for Osong he has played one game and scored, how many goals has Holmes or Hungbo scored? The lad comes from a highly rated academy and is very well thought of, he is a young man away from his parent club, such players need to be managed differently to get the best out of them. We have an awful track record of dealing with young loaned players. This is a big issue, when you damage the relationship with these academies and clubs that reduces your options going forward, do you think Arsenal will send us another player after the Norton-Cuffy situation.

I think you've got yourself confused here pal. Neither Holmes or Hungbo are centre forwards but play out on the wing, hence why they were brought on yesterday, albeit too late for my liking. As for Osong, he's played one full game against Newcastle's U21 side and yes he scored. He has also come off the subs bench 6 times and played approx 49 mins. I agree maybe he could have been used more but only Evans knows why he's played so little time.

As for damaging relationships with other clubs, yes this can be a dangerous practice if we don't use loanees more but, we don't see how Osong applies himself in training and Evans/Raynor do. Is there something that stops him from starting a game via his effort/application during training sessions? As for comparing Hugill's efforts of late, I'm in agreement, use the lad more and let Hugill sit it out for a change. You never know, it might induce Hugill to call his agent and ask for a move.



Evans job is to win football matches, at the moment we have lost more than we have won, we have 14 points from 12 games that is 54 points over a season which in the last 4 years would have been 17th, 16th, 16th, 17th. Do you think that will be seen as success by TS this season, especially as Evans has told us we will be challenging for promotion? We have seen nothing from Hugill in a season and a quarter that makes him worth a shirt, the fake head/leg injury yesterday was the last straw.
No that won't be seen as a success, however, the season end is along way off so it's hard to speculate we may finish 16th/17th. Yes, I agree about Hugill's antics yesterday. One minute he's writhing in agony next he's up and about, you have to question that? For me he was like Eaves, very little end product but, and don't laugh, there is a player in there somewhere.

Cayton says Osong sits on his own, why? The club captain is sat behind him, why isn't he taking the lad under his arm and getting him to sit with them, why is it the lads fault? Now he might get 3 or 4 games or good run outs and fail, but he deserves the chance and not to be judged on 5 minutes here and 1 minute at Peterborough. I am sorry for sticking up for the lad, but history shows us that the issue with young players is the club and not the players

Can't comment on why he chooses to sit alone but you've got to admit, it's a strange one. Has any other of the players sat and talked to him? Invited him to sit with them? Has he told anyone he prefers to sit alone? On his future appearances, we saw yesterday that Evans preferred to leave Hugill on the bench and Osong wasn't even picked to make the bench, so, is he injured?

Brin banter is good :0)

I would like to point out on a previous thread you said playing newcastle U21 was valid as they are young players trying to get in a premier league team, you can't have it both ways.

49 minutes and you are writing him off!! wow

last season we played Nombe for a lot of games and he scored what 3 goals, he was brought in as a big signing, what must you have thought of him if Osong is judged in 49 minutes.

Interesting you play the Evans/Raynor watched them in training card, so you think their judgement is accurate now? Previously you have asked questions about their judgement due to formations, player selections and lack of width.

My point is the lad deserves a chance and not 5minutes here and 10 minutes there, whilst JCH is out and Hugill is behaving like he is it is a good time to see what he can do and if the high quality academy at Forest are right about him, I trust them over Evans when judging a young player any day of the week. As i pointed out in the Evans bold talk thread, to even be in the mix at xmas (as Evans says we will) we have to improve our win ratio from 25% to 55%-66% in the next 9 games, something has to change for that to happen and trying the lad up front for a few games might just be that thing, it might not but to dismiss him as a player at this time is unfair and just plain silly.

[Brin]

Brin banter is good :0)

I would like to point out on a previous thread you said playing newcastle U21 was valid as they are young players trying to get in a premier league team, you can't have it both ways.

49 minutes and you are writing him off!! wow

last season we played Nombe for a lot of games and he scored what 3 goals, he was brought in as a big signing, what must you have thought of him if Osong is judged in 49 minutes.

Interesting you play the Evans/Raynor watched them in training card, so you think their judgement is accurate now? Previously you have asked questions about their judgement due to formations, player selections and lack of width.

My point is the lad deserves a chance and not 5minutes here and 10 minutes there, whilst JCH is out and Hugill is behaving like he is it is a good time to see what he can do and if the high quality academy at Forest are right about him, I trust them over Evans when judging a young player any day of the week. As i pointed out in the Evans bold talk thread, to even be in the mix at xmas (as Evans says we will) we have to improve our win ratio from 25% to 55%-66% in the next 9 games, something has to change for that to happen and trying the lad up front for a few games might just be that thing, it might not but to dismiss him as a player at this time is unfair and just plain silly.

Derbs,
I don't think you've read my reply correctly pal. I put: As for comparing Hugill's efforts of late, I'm in agreement, use the lad more and let Hugill sit it out for a change. You never know, it might induce Hugill to call his agent and ask for a move.


Now if that ain't saying let the lad play I don't know what is. Neither have I written the lad off, I merely put scenarios your way as to why he ain't even making the bench now, which you seem to have bypassed.

[Derbymiller]

Derbs,
I don't think you've read my reply correctly pal. I put: As for comparing Hugill's efforts of late, I'm in agreement, use the lad more and let Hugill sit it out for a change. You never know, it might induce Hugill to call his agent and ask for a move.


Now if that ain't saying let the lad play I don't know what is. Neither have I written the lad off, I merely put scenarios your way as to why he ain't even making the bench now, which you seem to have bypassed.

Fair enough